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slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:20:18 PM)

Well Boi,I hate to tell you this but an 18 year old can't drink(legally) and a 21 year old can!(I know you didn't want anyone to tell you this...but facts are facts)Care to guess why that is......hint is has something to do with the development of an adult mindset......silly stuff like allowing developing minds the time to fully realise their adult potential before muddying up the water so to speak with toxic beverages.
I agree with you this is silly stuff....if a juvenile wants to perform "adult" activities our only responsibility ,as a society, is to make sure they face adult consequences.......especially the male of the species...what with his proclivity for recidivism and violence and all [8|]




Jeffff -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:23:28 PM)

So you would actually execute a 12 year old?.... even if he is unattractive?


are you nuts?




juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:23:59 PM)

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The victim's body was discovered by her youngest daughter, just 4.

Prosecutors allege there was tension between Jordan and Houk, who had moved into the father's farmhouse. They say Jordan was jealous of Houk and her two daughters. The unborn child was a boy.

"There are no signs of forced entry," Bongivengo added. "No signs of a robber or burglar."

Jordan's supporters deny any rivalry or bad feelings between the boy and his would-be stepmother.

Prosecutors also allege that there is strong physical evidence linking Jordan to the crime. Police found gunshot residue on Jordan's shirt. A state trooper testified that the gun smelled like it had been freshly fired. His defense team argues that many of Jordan's shirts and guns had residue because he frequently hunted with his father.

Also, police said they discovered a blanket covering the gun with a quarter-sized hole burned into it. With outcome of the decertification hearing still months away, there is little consolation for the victims' family. The victim's family wants Jordan to be charged as an adult for taking two lives, they say.

They remember Kenzie Houk as beautiful, friendly and popular. Family members say they miss attending weekly bingo nights, cooking dinner and watching Steelers games with her.

"She'd give her last penny to everyone," said her mother, Debbie Houk. "She loved everyone and didn't have a mean bone in her body."

Debbie Houk, said she never expected to be a mother again. But after her daughter was slain, she now cares for her grandchildren.

"The day Kenzie was murdered, the whole family was served with a life sentence," she said. "There are a 4-year-old and 7-year-old who are serving life right now. They are never going to see their mom."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/10/pennsylvania.young.murder.defendant/?hpt=C1

“There was an issue with jealousy. He told my son stuff,” said Houk’s brother-in-law, Jason Kraner, 34. “He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her.”

Police say the weapon used by the 11-year-old boy accused of killing his father’s pregnant girlfriend was a youth model 20-gauge shotgun that apparently belonged to the fifth-grader.

Jordan Brown, the son of Houk’s live-in boyfriend

http://a11news.com/1472/jordan-brown/

O'Brien said the answers Brown gave during the evaluation showed that he harbored resentment and is very aware and sensitive to things he believes are unfair to him.

And many believe Brown harbored resentment toward Houk. The psychiatrist said Brown has not accepted responsibility for the murders and that he has a very limited likelihood of rehabilitation.

http://www.wkbn.com/mostpopular/story/Jordan-Brown-Described-as-Resentful-Having-No/nQzCiD1hzkO7wAtvizF1aA.cspx




I also believe the father should be held accountable for negligent homicide. What retard gives his 11 year old open access to a fire arm without supervision?

boi


No amount of posting stuff to get at our heart strings changes the fact that this kid is a kid... you accused another poster of bringing up emotionally charged information into the conversation, and then you do it, that makes you a hypocrite.

So how young is too young to label someone for a crime and execute them for it, boijen? Is 4 too young? How about 2? What you do not seem to get is a 12 year old lacks a fully developed brain... and if you were a budding psychologist you would entertain thoughts about child development in your pitchfork and torch party... you are way too emotionally attached to this situation.. think about it

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His defense attorney and family is obviously going to say "He didn't do it". And try and get as much public opinion behind him as possible. This kid thought he had the right to take a life. 2 in fact. That kind of entitlement doesn't go away with age. He did an adult act...committed an adult crime with consequences that will go on for the rest of the victims' family's lives. Why on Earth would this boy be exempt from suffering the consequences of his own actions just because if his age? It's like telling me that an 18 year old shouldn't be allowed to drink but a 21 year old can. If an 11 year old can take someone's life, then the 11 year old can deal with the punishments associated with the act.


So why not just skip the trial, biojen, we don't need em anymore, we can just have you act as jury and executioner...

I seriously hope you get some help before you try to help others.... your militancy on things you do not know anything about is truly frightening... to think people are going to have to trust you with their thoughts and emotions, you cannot control your own emotions and prey on other people's to change their minds... this is what people who form lynch mobs do.




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:24:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Only three countries execute children.

The U.S., Iran, and North Korea.

Food for thought.


The U.S. no longer finds it acceptable to execute "children". So little Chucky can get away from the real consequences of his actions no matter how many people he actually kills.



Bullshit.

It's not a black and white world. Plenty of consequences available.

Yes, I know, it's more America to kill stuff. But pretending it's self-justifying is a national blindness.





slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:28:09 PM)

I pity the fool who would go to Boi for help,understanding and guidence.
(apologies to Mr.T)




domiguy -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:28:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Oh julia and Geoff, if only this kid was attractive than maybe I could buy into your "save the world" belief system.




Just look at it this way, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

I thought the kid was kinda cute.



This is another problem that has to be addressed. We can no longer allow people to go around fucking and breeding with some willy nilly concepts of beauty. Beauty needs to be standardized.

That little fucking murderer is not in the least bit attractive. Otherwise he could not have committed the crime.

Since the ugly are much more likely to commit a crime or live in poverty we really need to start kicking out better looking offspring. It's the American thing to do.

This "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" bullshit is just an excuse to bone the inferior.


The government needs to not only tackle health care but also sterilization program to inhibit the ugly from procreating.

Can anyone of you imagine a prison filled with hotties? No!!!...I didn't think so.

This is why my programs must be taken seriously.




ricken -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:29:36 PM)

The thing that really bothers me about this thread is more of the peoples reactions to this kids actions AFTER the shooting, he hid the gun & got on a school bus.IF we assume he was just playing around and didn't kow the gun was loaded, how can ANYONE say what a "normal" reaction is? This is such a bizar thing to have happen that I don't understand how there can be a "normal" reaction, I dated a shrink for a while and we would argue about this stuff a bit I know I wouldn't have reacted that way. I probably would have been screamming and crying and running around freaking out if at 11 or 12, if I screwed up and did something like that I would think thats a normal reaction...but look at me I'm posting on a board that people tie up, hurt, and /or , humiliat each other. I chain up someone I care for deeply, smack her ass,and do nasty thngs to, is that a normal reaction?

I think that there are just too many sad things that happened in this case, we will never know the truth, the media wants to sell advertising time on the news, the police want a person to hang the guilt on, the D.A. wants a high profile conviction to push his/her career. The kids lawer wants to get him off for high profile advertising to sell his services/write a book/make money.

No matter what this kid is just plain screwed.I mean he didn't pull the trigger AT ALL, he is now messed up for life. IF he did it, as an accident "playing" or if he did it because he was pissed... I don't know what to do with him, but don't want him living anyplace in 100 mile of me. If he stays in prison untils he is 21 what a monster he will be I would hate to see him then.

Sad, just sad.....




domiguy -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:29:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

So you would actually execute a 12 year old?.... even if he is unattractive?


are you nuts?


He would have to be sterilized at the least.




BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:30:11 PM)

I just don't think "But he's a kid" should be a defense for violent crimes.




juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:31:10 PM)

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Can anyone of you imagine a prison filled with hotties? No!!!...I didn't think so.


My brother in law is a corrections officer at a woman's institution....

He said that the prettiest ones were usually the most psycho... he said that the really hawt ones are in there for things like murdering their babies, their parents, or butchering their boyfriends in their sleep... and he said it is creepy looking at an angelic looking woman and knowing she drowned her kids or some other psycho shit...






slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:32:43 PM)

Even if he actually is a kid?
Boi best piece of advice I was ever given......"when in a hole....stop digging".(or "put down the shovel"...something like that...lol)




BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:36:19 PM)

My political beliefs have nothing to do with how I might treat a patient. That's crossing the ethical boundaries of dual relationships. We're not friends and discussion of my personal beliefs has no place in a session or anyone's treatment plans. A responsible shrink who found conflict with any given situation would give a referral.

I would never treat pedophile because of my personal history. I would find myself way too attached to the situation and have to give the patient a referral to another doctor.

But that's professionalism versus personal opinion. 




domiguy -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:38:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Can anyone of you imagine a prison filled with hotties? No!!!...I didn't think so.


My brother in law is a corrections officer at a woman's institution....

He said that the prettiest ones were usually the most psycho... he said that the really hawt ones are in there for things like murdering their babies, their parents, or butchering their boyfriends in their sleep... and he said it is creepy looking at an angelic looking woman and knowing she drowned her kids or some other psycho shit...



Her kids must have really, really been bad. Otherwise sexy and attractive people just don't do these types of things.

Sometimes we beautiful people have to endure the hostilities of you uggos. Sometimes I guess it might be possible that we could snap. It does sound like nonsense to me.

You brother in law is probably just lashing out due to the fact that the incarcerated hotties won't bone him for cigarettes. What a peach of a guy. Your family sickens me.




calamitysandra -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:38:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I just don't think "But he's a kid" should be a defense for violent crimes.



A defense? No!

However, it needs to be taken into account where the circumstances of the trial and the possible outcomes are concerned.




kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:38:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I just don't think "But he's a kid" should be a defense for violent crimes.



HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THROUGH TRIAL YET, what's the matter with you? The violent crime you speak of doesn't have a perpetrator yet. Even if he did commit the murder, there are probably some extenuating circumstances precisely because of his very young age. And even if there are no such circumstances, he still won't be executed because it's against the law.
Do you get off on the idea of executing a young child? Take your blinders off, you're looking like a fool.




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:39:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I just don't think "But he's a kid" should be a defense for violent crimes.

It's not. Plenty of alternatives to offing him.




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:41:02 PM)

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HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THROUGH TRIAL YET


Alas, Americans have stopped thinking this way quite a while ago.

What was a set of guiding principles is now inconvenient parchment to be circumvented.




kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:41:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THROUGH TRIAL YET


Alas, Americans have stopped thinking this way quite a while ago.



Yeah, well, it's fucking terrifying.




BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:42:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's not. Plenty of alternatives to offing him.


Yes and they'll likely amount to millions of dollars of money from a system that he doesn't and may not ever pay into. That kind of money that can be spent to fund health care for Vets, house homeless children and families, pay for school books and improvements, and other social programs that are in dire need of assistance.

I don't think violent criminals should be where a society spends it's humanitarian efforts. No matter what their age.




domiguy -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:42:46 PM)

Sterilize him then kill him. Double whammy for being a murdering uggo. The little fuck hated his future step mom. She had displaced his position in the family and he hated her for it. He also didn't want a little brother running around.

This would have never transpired if he were better looking.




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