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juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:08:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I don't think violent criminals should be where a society spends it's humanitarian efforts. No matter what their age. From this thread, and especially from your post above, it transpires that you are pretty intellectually limited. Because of this, you are forgiven for not envisaging the full societal consequences of the kind of dystopia you advocate. May you never practice any kind of mind medicine on others. To be honest, reading her comments makes me think she has a lot in common with cucky... both driven by hate an emotion... I feel a little nauseated reading her....and I do not mean that in a metaphorical way, I mean I feel sick inside thinking that someone could advocate for the state murdering children because it costs money to incarcerate them.... just boggles

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:08:54 PM)
I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality.

juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:10:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. Because you have already tried and convicted him on this thread...

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I feel a little nauseated reading her....and I do not mean that in a metaphorical way, I mean I feel sick inside thinking that someone could advocate for the state murdering children because it costs money to incarcerate them.... just boggles I feel the same way about adults who commit murder. Such violent crimes should not be rewarded with free food and shelter for the rest of one's own life.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Because you have already tried and convicted him on this thread... Do you know the difference between a trial and an opinion. There's no Judge sitting behind me saying that what I have to say goes. Talk about a fuckin lynch mob.

juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. You never answered me, how old does someone have to be so you can give them lethal injection?

mnottertail -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:12:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. don't know its a liberal thing, but the history of death penalties overall is that folks went dead that were exonerated posthumously (texas being a big offender, while relieving Thomas Jefferson of his responsibilities as a founding father). Don't know any 'liberal' is dead against it, but lots of folks wanna be absolutely positive you are gonna fry the right one every time.

kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:14:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think this boy is guilty. Then you truly are very limited, because you are "thinking" something without the knowledge necessary to inform your "throught". You mean to say that you believe the kid is guilty. It's that very belief that confirms my suspicion that you aren't very intelligent at all - comment away: you have enough of a brain to type what goes through that mind of yours. But don't expect many people to take you seriously. None of what you have written on this thread is deserving of any respect whatsoever.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:14:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. You never answered me, how old does someone have to be so you can give them lethal injection? I don't think there should be limit. If someone can premeditate to kill someone, no matter what their age, they shouldn't be given a free ride on other people's dime (which would cost less if we didn't give guilty people 100 million chances at appeals...I personally think someone should get two chances to appeal the case and then be left with whatever the verdict is...it would be much cheaper that way). Alas, I don't make the laws, I just vote for the people who make them.

juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:15:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Because you have already tried and convicted him on this thread... Do you know the difference between a trial and an opinion. There's no Judge sitting behind me saying that what I have to say goes. Talk about a fuckin lynch mob. Like kittin said, own your words.... You are the one that has stated he is guilty... You are the one that advocates murdering convicted kids You are the one that presents all sorts of "data" to give yourself an air of knowledgeablity and an authoritative air... You are arguing this case in the arena of public opinion, without any evidence to back you up... just media reports

Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:15:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. Well, in fairness, her reality and your perception.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:16:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. A fair question and perhaps grounds for another thread(in which I will be happy to participate) but this thread is about a 12 year old boy....and your insitance(at least thats what it has degenrated to) that his age does not enter into the discussion.....essentially that if he did it..."it"being an adult act....than he deserves adult consequences.Of course for the sake of argument on that score we must ignore the little thing called the trial...but I'm willing to do that and again ask you...what part of "he's a child and needs to be judged as such" don't you get?

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:16:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. don't know its a liberal thing, but the history of death penalties overall is that folks went dead that were exonerated posthumously (texas being a big offender, while relieving Thomas Jefferson of his responsibilities as a founding father). Don't know any 'liberal' is dead against it, but lots of folks wanna be absolutely positive you are gonna fry the right one every time. Ronne, That's why we have the justice system that we have. It's flawed but it's what we have. Until there's a better system, it's what we have to work for us.

Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. Of course they are not the same. But you've made your position clear, and it invites the link in this instance.

juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. You never answered me, how old does someone have to be so you can give them lethal injection? I don't think there should be limit. If someone can premeditate to kill someone, no matter what their age, they shouldn't be given a free ride on other people's dime (which would cost less if we didn't give guilty people 100 million chances at appeals...I personally think someone should get two chances to appeal the case and then be left with whatever the verdict is...it would be much cheaper that way). Alas, I don't make the laws, I just vote for the people who make them. perhaps you have no knowledge about brain development in kids, how children do not often know the difference between their actions and the consequence,...real and imagined... etc etc etc... I know more about this than you do and I have no background in psychology than a psych 101 course..maybe you haven't had much exposure to psych theory.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:19:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. Well, in fairness, her reality and your perception. Her perception of my reality as I stated it. She's making assumptions based on my comments because of her perceptions of those comments and what they mean. She's also degraded her ability to conduct a civil conversation to personal attacks on intelligence. So I have to wonder....

mnottertail -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:20:42 PM)
no, that is pure unadulterated chickenshit, unless you will proclaim all texans drooling retards and incapable of state and local government, and fight to remove their states rights. they are not just a standard deviation off the misfire of innocents to death ratio, that is a flawed fucking system due to cowboy copas flaunting of the law.

Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:23:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen I do think the guilty in such a case should be executed. I do think this boy is guilty. Isn't the American justice system awesome in that because of those things, I wouldn't be on his jury trial? Not backpedaling. Just stating the difference between your perception and my reality. Well, in fairness, her reality and your perception. Her perception of my reality as I stated it. She's making assumptions based on my comments because of her perceptions of those comments and what they mean. She's also degraded her ability to conduct a civil conversation to personal attacks on intelligence. So I have to wonder.... You misunderstand. You yourself have shared that your views are your take on this, and would (in your words) thankfully disqualify you from the jury--i.e., a rational analysis of the evidence. Your perception vs. the reality of the case, whatever that may be.

BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. A fair question and perhaps grounds for another thread(in which I will be happy to participate) but this thread is about a 12 year old boy....and your insitance(at least thats what it has degenrated to) that his age does not enter into the discussion.....essentially that if he did it..."it"being an adult act....than he deserves adult consequences.Of course for the sake of argument on that score we must ignore the little thing called the trial...but I'm willing to do that and again ask you...what part of "he's a child and needs to be judged as such" don't you get? That he committed a VIOLENT adult crime in which at least two little girls will have to live with for the rest of their lives. And since this boy is gonna live no matter what, they're gonna have to deal with the complete security in knowing that the person who killed their mother in cold blood every time they go to sleep...or in this case...every time they try to g to sleep. Of course, this whole time I assume he's guilty because the limited amount of information available points toward him. If he's found innocent, then I hope they catch the fucker who did it and execute their ass.

slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:23:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Ok...I have question... Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"? These two things are not the same. don't know its a liberal thing, but the history of death penalties overall is that folks went dead that were exonerated posthumously (texas being a big offender, while relieving Thomas Jefferson of his responsibilities as a founding father). Don't know any 'liberal' is dead against it, but lots of folks wanna be absolutely positive you are gonna fry the right one every time. Ronne, That's why we have the justice system that we have. It's flawed but it's what we have. Until there's a better system, it's what we have to work for us. Okay you have officially entered cucky and realone world....responding to a post in which Ron recounts the history of innocents being executed....you basically shrug your shoulders and state "we have the justice system we have"(?)admit its flawed...and go on to say we must work with what we have..... Someone needs to ask you this.....are you batshit nuts or what? Are you studying psychology....or are you a subject of a psychological study? I would really like to know.....because you are one dangerous little twinkkie....and I don't want to be living anywhere near you!

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