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Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:48:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN THROUGH TRIAL YET


Alas, Americans have stopped thinking this way quite a while ago.


Yeah, well, it's fucking terrifying.

Yes. I know.



kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:48:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I don't think violent criminals should be where a society spends it's humanitarian efforts. No matter what their age.



From this thread, and especially from your post above, it transpires that you are pretty intellectually limited. Because of this, you are forgiven for not envisaging the full societal consequences of the kind of dystopia you advocate. May you never practice any kind of mind medicine on others.



Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:51:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's not. Plenty of alternatives to offing him.


Yes and they'll likely amount to millions of dollars of money from a system that he doesn't and may not ever pay into. That kind of money that can be spent to fund health care for Vets, house homeless children and families, pay for school books and improvements, and other social programs that are in dire need of assistance.

I don't think violent criminals should be where a society spends it's humanitarian efforts. No matter what their age.


Two points.

First, this comes down to whether you want to live in a country with a criminal justice system or one with summary execution without trial.

Second, you'll find the economic argument doesn't hold up. We could save a fortune by substituting life in prison for the death penalty. It's far, far more inexpensive. Check it out.

And yes, we should do that for any age.

What say we have the trial first.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty





kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:53:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What say we have the trial first.



This has been argued repeatedly and she has chosen to ignore repeatedly. It looks like she doesn't want to think rationally at all - thankfully, she's not pursuing a career in law [X(] .



slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:53:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's not. Plenty of alternatives to offing him.


Yes and they'll likely amount to millions of dollars of money from a system that he doesn't and may not ever pay into. That kind of money that can be spent to fund health care for Vets, house homeless children and families, pay for school books and improvements, and other social programs that are in dire need of assistance.

I don't think violent criminals should be where a society spends it's humanitarian efforts. No matter what their age.

Ahh,now I understand,this is just a cold hearted appraisel of cost benifit analysis...You were saying earlier about professionalism as opposed to personal....and being able to seperate the two?
I think you are lying to yourself and have made a piss-poor career choice....you simply don't belong anywhere near the healing arts.....you need to seek a cereer path closer to where your talent comfort zone is.....analytics,bookkeeping or perhaps mortuary work!
Kittin the "your looking like a fool" advice.....about 6 pages too late!



Jeffff -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:55:03 PM)

We could take all the food lesbians eat and feed the poor.

Jesus would want it that way.

June can eat at my house




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:55:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
What say we have the trial first.


This has been argued repeatedly and she has chosen to ignore repeatedly. It looks like she doesn't want to think rationally at all - thankfully, she's not pursuing a career in law [X(] .


She's not alone. The "innocent until proven guilty" thing has long ago died to gut reaction based on media reports.

The irony of "why should the guilty get trials" is lost on people today. I shudder to think what we are creating.





mnottertail -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:56:47 PM)

(interpreting for the penile impared)

tap taptap tap taptaptaptap tap

tap tap taptap

tap




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:57:22 PM)

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Ahh,now I understand,this is just a cold hearted appraisel of cost benifit analysis


And actually, it isn't---such an analysis would show just the opposite.

Life in prison is far more inexpensive.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty



slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:58:12 PM)

I pride myself on a well developed sense of humor Ron.....but that one went right over my head....whoosh..a little help please.



Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:58:29 PM)

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tap taptap tap taptaptaptap tap

tap tap taptap

tap


Hang on. I think someone's tapping the line.



BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:58:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Two points.

First, this comes down to whether you want to live in a country with a criminal justice system or one with summary execution without trial.

Second, you'll find the economic argument doesn't hold up. We could save a fortune by substituting life in prison for the death penalty. It's far, far more inexpensive. Check it out.

And yes, we should do that for any age.

What say we have the trial first.



If the boy is innocent, for his sake, I hope he's found that way and has all the mental health treatment for having been through this issue that he needs. If he's guilty and found as such, may he rot in hell.

In such a case though, I doubt he'll find a trial and jury of his peers.

I love this justice system because it is a justice system. And I am allowed to have my opinion of the case give the information readily available. There's a reason (beyond not being in the state) that I would not be selected for the jury and would immediately make where I stand known because of that. I would not be a good candidate for any murder or rape and mutilation trial because of my own feelings. I know this.

And thank God and this country's justice system for that. Just because I feel a certain way about this case doesn't mean that I don't think the kid should get a fair trial in court.

I think far too few people understand a situation when someone feels a certain way about the information given and the over all process of understanding and judging that situation. I feel a certain way about this case...I also think the justice system, while flawed, is the best chance of catching the criminal in this case.

No matter what, I still wouldn't want anyone in that family living near me.



slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 12:59:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Ahh,now I understand,this is just a cold hearted appraisel of cost benifit analysis


And actually, it isn't---such an analysis would show just the opposite.

Life in prison is far more inexpensive.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
I never said it was a goood appraisel.....I am sticking to the "cold hearted " part though.....And nothing you say is moving me from that position,no matter how damm smart you are!



mnottertail -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:00:02 PM)

you never seen the lesbians with no tongues (penile impared) who communicated by tapping thread? it will last beyond the life of our sun.

You havent lived, my friend.




Musicmystery -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:01:32 PM)

California, for one, could really use the cash!


Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice

“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”

Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice, June 30, 2008).



slvemike4u -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:02:40 PM)

Cool,and their are scores of people for reasons as silly and arbitrary as yours that would frown upon two lesbians( one a Domme,the other a subbie) living near them.
Thank god we live in America where if you don't like the neighbors.....you can move.



BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:02:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What say we have the trial first.



This has been argued repeatedly and she has chosen to ignore repeatedly. It looks like she doesn't want to think rationally at all - thankfully, she's not pursuing a career in law [X(] .


I have yet to say that the boy doesn't deserve a trial. Good luck in finding "That fucker should rot...shoot him now before they give him a trial" under any of my posts.

Just because you choose to read into what I was saying as "he shouldn't get a trial" doesn't mean that your interpretation of my words is how I feel.



juliaoceania -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:04:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Can anyone of you imagine a prison filled with hotties? No!!!...I didn't think so.


My brother in law is a corrections officer at a woman's institution....

He said that the prettiest ones were usually the most psycho... he said that the really hawt ones are in there for things like murdering their babies, their parents, or butchering their boyfriends in their sleep... and he said it is creepy looking at an angelic looking woman and knowing she drowned her kids or some other psycho shit...



Her kids must have really, really been bad. Otherwise sexy and attractive people just don't do these types of things.

Sometimes we beautiful people have to endure the hostilities of you uggos. Sometimes I guess it might be possible that we could snap. It does sound like nonsense to me.

You brother in law is probably just lashing out due to the fact that the incarcerated hotties won't bone him for cigarettes. What a peach of a guy. Your family sickens me.


Actually my brother in law is attractive, therefore you must be wrong about him, he could not possibly do anything wrong



BoiJen -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:05:49 PM)

Ok...I have question...

Why is it that liberals see "pro death penalty" as "circumvent the justice system and kill them now without a trial"?

These two things are not the same.



kittinSol -> RE: 12 year old facing life in prison for shooting father's pregnant fiance (3/16/2010 1:06:46 PM)

You have judged him as guilty from the very beginning, and even regretted he couldn't be executed (post # 5), so your backpedalling is looking rather desperate, and completely inadequate. You ought to own the words that you write, or to think twice before pressing the "OK" button.



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