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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:13:30 AM   
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My dad had a short fuse, and regularly burned it out. At a very young age, I recognised I had the capacity to be like him and actively strove not to be. I believe this gave me the grounding in self-control which allows me to indulge my sadistic side in safety.

Oh, and nobody's normal

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:15:40 AM   
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We are a product of our environment and there is always a strong correlation between the childhood experiences and adult preferences, quirks and kinks. Take a slice of any BDSM crowd and there are common stereotypes. I am certain that a good portion of the submissives with Daddy complexes and Dom/mes with control issues are related to abuse at some time. The loss of power, loss of control in a sexual environment absolutely seeds the desire for control in sexual environment later in life.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:31:08 AM   
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thank you for your opinions, i appreciate it =]

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:31:37 AM   
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I've seen a lot of people in the lifestyle who were products of childhood abuse.  That said, I don't know if it's more or less than the percent of nilla people who are products of childhood abuse.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:32:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

Oh, and nobody's normal


hehehe - I once described myself as a 'normal' person to a good friend of mine once. His response was "if you are the benchmark for normal, then we're doomed!"

I took it as a compliment

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:33:54 AM   
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there's no such thing as a normal person or normal thing because everyone has a different view of what's normal or abnormal. it's a perspective and that's it

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 2:40:37 AM   
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there's no such thing as a normal person or normal thing because everyone has a different view of what's normal or abnormal. it's a perspective and that's it



maybe...but while there are shades of grey to do with anything in life, there are many things that we would consider to be within agreed societal bounds of "normality". Individuals have their personal perspectives, and there's no problem with that. As a society we have a combined, agreed perspective of normal/abnormal, right/wrong that often provides the basis of our laws, among other things.

Being 'abnormal' as defined by those societal rules is not necessarily bad - indeed it can be a good thing, depending on the situation.

And perhaps a quick re-read of what I said, and the associated emoticons, would help you reliase I was joking...

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 5:40:01 AM   
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No abuse here. I just watched Return of the Jedi when I was a kid and said: Wow......I want one.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 6:08:45 AM   
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I have been pondering this for a while now so i'd like to ask you here. It seems that everyone in the lifestyle that i've become good friends with has suffered from abuse in the past. I'm not exception. This got me thinking, is there a link between BDSM and abuse? Like are people who have suffered like this more likely to become more involved in the lifestyle? And i know the lifestyle isn't abusive at all, this was just something i was pondering. Please offer your opinions.


I feel that there is a correlation between BDSM and abuse on the bell curve of kink, and I would say a good number have been touched (in a bad way) or effected by some form of abuse.  Abuse doesn't have to be physical or sexual, but also can manifest in a mental way.  You don't have to be beaten everyday to be subjected to some form of abuse.  A withdrawal of affection, or a lack of praise and approval, can sometimes be just as damaging as a punch. 

But with any bell curve, you will find those with no history of any abuse and are just kinky little pervs for whatever floats their boat.  And you will also find those that find BDSM as an extension of their abuse from a younger time.  It reminds me of a phrase I once heard concerning torture..."The best form of torture, is where the victim begins to torture themselves [unaided by outside influences]."  So how you picture yourself on this curve, doesn't mean anything bad or good except what you do with it.  For some, BDSM has had a more therapeutic outcome for them to be able to deal with their past and be exceptionally functional in their present.  I have known a few in this situation, and it warms my heart to see someone take something negative and make it not only a positive, but also a vehicle of obtaining genuine happiness and contentment.    


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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 6:46:59 AM   
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I feel that there is a correlation between BDSM and abuse on the bell curve of kink, and I would say a good number have been touched (in a bad way) or effected by some form of abuse.  Abuse doesn't have to be physical or sexual, but also can manifest in a mental way.  You don't have to be beaten everyday to be subjected to some form of abuse.  A withdrawal of affection, or a lack of praise and approval, can sometimes be just as damaging as a punch. 

But with any bell curve, you will find those with no history of any abuse and are just kinky little pervs for whatever floats their boat.  And you will also find those that find BDSM as an extension of their abuse from a younger time.  It reminds me of a phrase I once heard concerning torture..."The best form of torture, is where the victim begins to torture themselves [unaided by outside influences]."  So how you picture yourself on this curve, doesn't mean anything bad or good except what you do with it.  For some, BDSM has had a more therapeutic outcome for them to be able to deal with their past and be exceptionally functional in their present.  I have known a few in this situation, and it warms my heart to see someone take something negative and make it not only a positive, but also a vehicle of obtaining genuine happiness and contentment.    



I was never physically abused in childhood or in any relationship but the highlighted words above characterize how i grew up. I was basically neglected and left to myself and I compensated for that by being a good girl - hoping to get positive attention. I personally have found in D/s a breathtaking amount (for me) of attention. When I'm with a partner I just feel  like there is a spot light on me, and us, and it feeds me. It's easier for me to accept attention coming to me if its not completely based on me...if it's within the framework of pleasing someone else. I long for that connection that can exist between the two people involved.

I feel as though a lot of female s types have evolved into that by not necessarily having negative physical attention - although that certainly happens - but by being neglected emotionally. You try to get attention by being good...it's harder for girls to act out in an overt negative way. You start trying to anticipate what might get you a nugget of 'love' by doing things for people, by not being a bother, by being polite, or a good student. This type of sub/slave wants to belong somewhere and be present in someone's mind and life. This is me. When I'm with a Dom I feel as though I've come home in a way that I've never been home before. It's also scary because I can't blend into the woodwork like I usually do, I have to play an active role and that of course is fulfilling as well. I can't always take an active role for myself, but I can do it for someone else if they expect me to.

I have found by talking to others that there seems to be some type of abuse factor in the background of many of the people drawn to BDSM but it could be as other posters have mentioned that it's just easier to talk about within the BDSM context, and maybe it isn't really a greater percent of the population as a whole. Another frequent poster to the boards has said that more extreme lifestyles draw more extreme people and I have always thought that was true. You're talking about people with some courage to follow their desires - what gives them the courage? Maybe there is some internal characteristic there that comes about as a result of abuse, or whatever lends that strength to getting what you need. I'm not sure.

Anyway, this turned out to be longer than I thought, a whole bunch of things ended up going through my head.

*edited to add a thought.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 7:44:28 AM   
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My father had an explosive temper, it scared me as a child. He was a good person though. His behavior, at times, was abusive but it came from a loss of control rather than meanspiritedness. More than his treatment of me, I was influenced by his manly persona. He was the strong, silent type...worked hard his whole life...man of the house full of us girls. Incidentally, my father had terrible depression and PTSD from his tour in Vietnam. Anyway, the good parts of him are the parts that I love about men. I'm sure his expression of his natural dominance had something to do with what I am now. However, I also think that I seek an escape from being a 'Strong and Independent Woman'. Having been the oldest child, a nurse, a mother, a wife to a rather egalitarian male....I just want to not HAVE to be in control anymore.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 7:59:50 AM   
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have not been abused....sexually or physically...

I'm just naturally this way.

I climbed trees as a kid and liked catching snakes and frogs too.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 8:00:47 AM   
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I had a very severe education and my father has often beaten me. The only way to resist my father was to learn to deal with the physical pain he caused. This may have helped me dealing with pain as SM submissive. Another point was that nudity was stricktly forbidden at home and I became a nudist anyway. If there is an explanation in that for my lifestyle, I don't know?

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 8:26:38 AM   
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Never been abused, had a wonderful childhood, and grew up with a deep, deep-rooted need to be slave - a need i knew about when i was very, very young.

One thing i wonder about is if this "lifestyle" of ours just allows people to be more open about their previous abuse and psychological issues. One thing i've learned and realized over the years is that everyone has issues in this world of some sort or another - we as BDSM-ers don't have the market cornered on this.

i did Real Estate for many years and the more i went into other people's houses, the more normal i began to feel about myself. There are some pretty sick tickets out there that have nothing to do with BDSM. Honestly, often the more "proper" the family the more skeletons in the closet - i know, because i saw them. Real Estate agents are actually a lot like therapists in a way, and we definitely have to hide a lot of secrets for our clients.

i tend to group this with the line of thought that says we're more "special" or "enlightened" in some way just because we do BDSM - i don't agree with that, it's just one path that people choose. Yes there are studies that show higher intelligence among BDSM folks, but i still don't see that as making us any more unique than any others - i think we're just more open about what we talk about, and abuse falls into that as well.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 8:40:32 AM   
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The world sucks, there are a shitload of people out there with 'abuse' in their backgrounds.... the VAST majority wouldn't come anywhere near the lifestyle. Yes I know a lot in the lifestyle that have been, I also know a lot who haven't..... the only link is that We all come out of a society in which it happens it doesn't have a causal factor (IMO) else a lot more of those abused folks would be here rather than out there being 'nilla.

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 8:43:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Never been abused, had a wonderful childhood, and grew up with a deep, deep-rooted need to be slave - a need i knew about when i was very, very young.


As long I can remember, as soon as I became saware of my sexuality, I felt the need for self torture: I had never heard about BDSM. I think  that  was always part of me. Later as student I was abused in the locker room by older students. They didn't know they pleased my submissive nature, never thought about making a complaint as I knew I provoked them somehow.



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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 9:26:06 AM   
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Nope, no abuse in my past.  Unless you count that incident with the catholic priests.  

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 9:33:27 AM   
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The world sucks...



the world doesn't suck, that's gravity, my friend

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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 10:06:28 AM   
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Maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule

Sorry to disappoint, Myo, but you aren't the only one



No and you are not the only 2. I had a fantastic childhood and even now at the age of 50 I speak to my parents daily. My sister and I grew up in the same house and were treated equally, in fact my parents went out of their way to treat us the same. She has the more dominant personality out of the 2 of us (not lifestyle dominant).



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RE: BDSM and abuse - 3/17/2010 11:26:13 AM   
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thanks everyone, please keep your opinions coming =]

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