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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


And no, Im not giving links to proprietary studies and databases to a random on an internet board. Do your own research, its out there if you spend the time. I work in the area every day, I don't need the remedial education.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


Yes, it does, and by far. And no, Im not giving links to proprietary studies and databases to a random on an internet board. Do your own research, its out there if you spend the time. I work in the area every day, I don't need the remedial education.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


...despite the highest expenditure on health care out of Australia, Canada, France, germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden, UK and US, the US has the lowest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rate.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


...despite the highest expenditure on health care out of Australia, Canada, France, germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden, UK and US, the US has the lowest life expectency and the highest infant mortality rate.

Not a fair comparison.

But the international comparisons in “infant mortality” rates aren’t comparing the same thing, anyway. Americans count every baby who shows any sign of life, irrespective of size or weight at birth.
By contrast, in much of Europe, babies born before 26 weeks’ gestation are not considered “live births.” Switzerland only counts babies who are at least 30 centimeters long (11.8 inches) as being born alive. In Canada, Austria and Germany, only babies weighing at least a pound are considered live births.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Philo,

Actually, I just meant to address the infant mortality rate part (I screwed up the trimming of your quote).  And yes I quoted her.  She does cite in her article the book that she got her stats from, so does it really matter?  “The Tyranny of Numbers: Mismeasurement and Misrule,” Nicholas Eberstadt.  I thought that it was the message not the messanger that was important. 

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You really believe that all Leftist protesters are perfectly kind and moderate and loving and compassionate towards those with whom they disagree?  And all Conservatives are horrid brutes?

Thanks for the laugh. Thats funny. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Is that one of those stories you tell yourself so that you can sleep at night?

- LA

Yes, actually I think she does. Along with a few others on the boards. That attitude is one of the biggest problems the US faces right now, in my opinion. And the thing that really makes me laugh, is the 2 or 3 people on CM that really hate the right and speak out against anyone who might be conservative are actually from Canada. Now I can understand being interested in people in another country, but to actively hate 1/2 it's population because they are on the conservative side is just wrong.

I wonder how much sleep she loses over the really nasty things that some people on the left do?

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Holy cow, domroomiesneeded, it's a freaking tsunami of factual errors. It's hard to know where to start.

Can you cite any numbers at all on "all the bankruptcies in Canada because of the lack of services in healthcare?" Tell me, is that more than in the US, where half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills? Is it close?

"Greedy union thugs striking at the drop of a dime" in health care? Who are they?

There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada: If you need immediate care, you get it. Period. There are waits for most specialists’ care, and longer waits for elective surgery. Is that a problem? Sometimes, but Canada's health care outcomes remain better than the US, and Canadians get the care, without having to worry about money.

I know that Americans spend far more money, yet despite this have poorer health outcomes than Canadians. Canada also has a lower mortality rate. American infant mortality rates are 40 per cent higher

I know that Natasha Richardson refused an exam, and I know that in Montreal (where Richardson was taken), to quote Dr. Brett Taylor, a study found that "100 per cent of victims arrived by road ambulance; whereas in King County in Washington State, 15 per cent arrived by helicopter. But, Montreal's ambulance crews were on the scene sooner, spent less time there, and had shorter transport times. That's right, a U.S. system with dedicated air transport had transport times averaging 23 minutes, compared to Montreal which averaged 10."

I know that you're parroting Fox talking points when you claim that Canadians flock to the US for health care. It's an outright lie, actually. The last study of cross border patients, using US hospital records, found that " the hordes of people fleeing Canadian health care for treatment in the U.S. was actually an infinitesimal 0.046% over five years."

Where is the compassion? Not at your house, pal.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

First they canceled the people with pre-existing conditions, but I did not speak out—because I was happy with the health insurance I had through my employer.

Then they canceled the people who had lost their jobs, but I did not speak out—because I was happy with the health insurance I had through my employer.

Then they canceled the people who who were so sick they had exceeded their lifetime coverage limits, but I did not speak out—because I was happy with the health insurance I had through my employer.

Then they canceled my insurance because my employer could no longer afford it—and there was no one left  to speak out for me.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Good GOD Aylee, what are you trying to do, kill poor philo? 

Coulter??? Really???

You realize that philo is a Liberal don't you - he can't possibly handle the truth.

Please - try to be more careful!!!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Good GOD Aylee, what are you trying to do, kill poor philo? 

Coulter??? Really???

You realize that philo is a Liberal don't you - he can't possibly handle the truth.

Please - try to be more careful!!!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I started the thread to discuss the behavior, I'm not claiming that I'm like Gandhi or anything. I didn't take a vow to become angelic overnight, the gist is that I am willing to moderate my behavior if others want to try as well.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I don't know what the solution is. Self moderation and consciously striving towards deescalation at all times I suppose.

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ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You really believe that all Leftist protesters are perfectly kind and moderate and loving and compassionate towards those with whom they disagree?  And all Conservatives are horrid brutes?

Thanks for the laugh. Thats funny. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Is that one of those stories you tell yourself so that you can sleep at night?

- LA

Yes, actually I think she does. Along with a few others on the boards. That attitude is one of the biggest problems the US faces right now, in my opinion. And the thing that really makes me laugh, is the 2 or 3 people on CM that really hate the right and speak out against anyone who might be conservative are actually from Canada. Now I can understand being interested in people in another country, but to actively hate 1/2 it's population because they are on the conservative side is just wrong.

I wonder how much sleep she loses over the really nasty things that some people on the left do?

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Holy cow, domroomiesneeded, it's a freaking tsunami of factual errors. It's hard to know where to start.

Can you cite any numbers at all on "all the bankruptcies in Canada because of the lack of services in healthcare?" Tell me, is that more than in the US, where half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills? Is it close?

"Greedy union thugs striking at the drop of a dime" in health care? Who are they?

There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada: If you need immediate care, you get it. Period. There are waits for most specialists’ care, and longer waits for elective surgery. Is that a problem? Sometimes, but Canada's health care outcomes remain better than the US, and Canadians get the care, without having to worry about money.

I know that Americans spend far more money, yet despite this have poorer health outcomes than Canadians. Canada also has a lower mortality rate. American infant mortality rates are 40 per cent higher

I know that Natasha Richardson refused an exam, and I know that in Montreal (where Richardson was taken), to quote Dr. Brett Taylor, a study found that "100 per cent of victims arrived by road ambulance; whereas in King County in Washington State, 15 per cent arrived by helicopter. But, Montreal's ambulance crews were on the scene sooner, spent less time there, and had shorter transport times. That's right, a U.S. system with dedicated air transport had transport times averaging 23 minutes, compared to Montreal which averaged 10."

I know that you're parroting Fox talking points when you claim that Canadians flock to the US for health care. It's an outright lie, actually. The last study of cross border patients, using US hospital records, found that " the hordes of people fleeing Canadian health care for treatment in the U.S. was actually an infinitesimal 0.046% over five years."

Where is the compassion? Not at your house, pal.

You have to understand that many Canadians are brainwashed. The Canadian media is hardcore leftwing; there's left of center, left, and far left media. Indeed, many Canadians bizarrely claim that CNN is rightwing.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


In all seriousness panda, I am really concerned about you. Really - if you ever get your free government health care, be sure you head right down to your local Obamacare Clinic and get your sense of humor checked. Because that was a joke!

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'm thinking more of the mayhem in Tim's thread, but I could probably have picked a better example.

Anyway, we socialists aren't allowed to have a sense of humor. It's the first thing we have surgically removed when we swear the Socialist Oath.

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and Canadians get the care, without having to worry about money

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Funny how you havent repsonded to all thebullshit youposted and just give us more crap, brainwashed my ass, look in themirror darlin, LMFAAAAAAAAAAAO Hahahhahahahoh you are a funny funny person

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

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and Canadians get the care, without having to worry about money

So who pays for this "free" health care in Canada?

Do physicians work for free? Nurses work for free? Techs work for free? What about the administrative people, ancillary staff, management staff? Are they all volunteers?

So if nobody is worrying about the money and it is free for -everyone-... how is it funded?