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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Is anyone else a bit squicked that such a monumentally important bill passed by such a small margin, and with a significant number of Dems opposing?

I say this as someone who is 100% for public healthcare (not with this bill, specifically, but in general) and I think something like this really needs to be a fully bipartisan effort.

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I don't see such a sea change

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"Democrats to Americans; SCREW YOU!"

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Perhaps you really believe the nation is evenly divided on this, despite the polls.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Perhaps you really believe the nation is evenly divided on this, despite the polls.

Actually, that's exactly what the polls show.

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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months.

Another finding that has remained constant is that the intensity is stronger among those who oppose the plan. The latest findings include 26% who Strongly Favor the plan and 45% who Strongly Oppose it.

The partisan divide remains constant as well. Seventy-four percent (74%) of Democrats favor the plan, while 87% of Republicans are opposed. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 34% are in favor, and 59% are opposed.

Still, 50% of all voters say they’re less likely to vote this November to reelect a member of Congress who votes for the health care plan.

Fifty-seven percent (57%) believe that if the plan passes, the cost of health care will go up. Only 17% believe the plan will achieve the stated goal of reducing the cost of care. At the same time, most voters (54%) believe that passage of the plan will hurt the quality of care.

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The disconnect between sustained public opposition to the health care plan and the belief it may pass may be one reason that just 21% of voters believe the federal government has the consent of the governed.

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A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it. All of the interviews were conducted before the House voted Sunday night, but the contents of the bill were widely known.

In addition, 56 percent said the bill gives the government too much involvement in health care; 28 percent said it gives the government the proper role and 16 percent said it leaves Washington with an inadequate role.

On the question of costs, 62 percent said the bill increases the amount of money they personally spend on health care; 21 percent said their costs would remain the same and 16 percent said they would decrease.

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Perhaps you really believe the nation is evenly divided on this, despite the polls.

Actually, that's exactly what the polls show.

I'm not so sure about calling it "evenly"...

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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months.

Another finding that has remained constant is that the intensity is stronger among those who oppose the plan. The latest findings include 26% who Strongly Favor the plan and 45% who Strongly Oppose it.

The partisan divide remains constant as well. Seventy-four percent (74%) of Democrats favor the plan, while 87% of Republicans are opposed. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 34% are in favor, and 59% are opposed.

Still, 50% of all voters say they’re less likely to vote this November to reelect a member of Congress who votes for the health care plan.

Fifty-seven percent (57%) believe that if the plan passes, the cost of health care will go up. Only 17% believe the plan will achieve the stated goal of reducing the cost of care. At the same time, most voters (54%) believe that passage of the plan will hurt the quality of care.

And what I considered a most interesting bit of that poll...

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The disconnect between sustained public opposition to the health care plan and the belief it may pass may be one reason that just 21% of voters believe the federal government has the consent of the governed.

Another recent poll...

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A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll found that 59 percent of those surveyed opposed the bill, and 39 percent favored it. All of the interviews were conducted before the House voted Sunday night, but the contents of the bill were widely known.

In addition, 56 percent said the bill gives the government too much involvement in health care; 28 percent said it gives the government the proper role and 16 percent said it leaves Washington with an inadequate role.

On the question of costs, 62 percent said the bill increases the amount of money they personally spend on health care; 21 percent said their costs would remain the same and 16 percent said they would decrease.

How close does close have to be in order to claim the divide is equal? 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Where is the offset in revenue in to the government once it is no longer receiving the proposed additional capital gains taxes oh and those taxes on the 7 figure incomes and their bonuses? I can't wait to see how they score the benefits packages for all the new govt employees, oh and don't forget the pensions.


Let me see if I understand you correctly.  The government gets to keep the fictional 7 digit salary or it can have the tax on that fictional 7 digit salary?  You seem to think that the tax which is a fractional portion of the whole is somehow more than the whole...perhaps that works in your mindset but somehow it defies logic to me.


As far as the complete takeover by government, I don't think it will ever be allowed to happen, but if it does, just think 15 or so years down the road perhaps they can cut costs by only allowing service 3 days a week...

Perhaps one day you might come to grips with the difference between a government service and a for profit business.


Just a suggestion. (note the sarcasm)