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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 8:50:22 PM   
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UPDATE: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/01/saudi.arabia.sorcery/index.html


This is good news BoiJen. Thanks for sharing it.

And I really wish people knew what they were talking about before saying asinine stuff about the Middle East. Seriously. It's like the watch 15 minutes on CNN while sitting in their all American Lay-z-Boy with the remote control and their Budweiser and all of a sudden they're bloody experts?

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:00:49 PM   
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I don't feel like I'm god-like enough to judge them "ignorant, barbaric savages" like you and your ilk. I see them as human beings who could possibly use some enlightenment, just like me. 


How amazingly tolerant of you. I like this "new Sanity." I presume you feel the same way about these Saudi head-chopper-offers, too?

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BERLIN, June 18 -- Islamic radicals in Saudi Arabia on Friday beheaded an American contractor whom they kidnapped six days earlier, and in a defiant statement on the Internet pledged more attacks on Americans. Hours later, Saudi security forces reported they had shot dead the leader of the group that asserted responsibility for the abduction.

Johnson was the third American in less than two weeks to meet a violent death in Riyadh. His kidnapping, the first of a Westerner in Saudi Arabia, and the manner of his killing marked a new kind of assault on the American presence in the oil-producing kingdom. "The infidel got his fair treatment," the group said in a statement.




[link=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52166-2004Jun18.html]Link

These guys are OK too, then, right? Same thing with these guys? Just "human beings who could possibly use a little enlightenment?"

Who are we to judge, right?

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:01:15 PM   
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I don't feel like I'm god-like enough to judge them "ignorant, barbaric savages" like you and your ilk. I see them as human beings who could possibly use some enlightenment, just like me. 
Sanity I refuse to beleive you are this dense....One need not think of himself as "god-like" to condemm the beheading of a television fortune teller.
You are actually trying to defend your stance on this by claiming to be enlightened enough to accept that others are different an dhave a right to those differences defys both common sense and good old fashioned decency.
My god man they intend to cut the fucking man's head off....as in dead dead dead!

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:08:22 PM   
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Sanity I refuse to beleive you are this dense....


Just out of curiosity - why, if i may ask?


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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:19:30 PM   
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Sanity I refuse to beleive you are this dense....


Just out of curiosity - why, if i may ask?

I promised Admin Alpha I would be nice

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:21:27 PM   
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I don't think there's anything to be recommended in Muslim's beheading each other. But to look down our noses at how "barbaric" the Saudis are, compared to us enlightened folk, is sanctimonious nonsense when after basking in the cheap thrill of feeling morally uplifted by our outrage and convinced of our superiority, we're just going to turn back to the business of getting through the day and do nothing.

K.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:26:22 PM   
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I don't think there's anything to be recommended in Muslim's beheading each other. But to look down our noses at how "barbaric" the Saudis are, compared to us enlightened folk, is sanctimonious nonsense when after basking in the cheap thrill of feeling morally uplifted by our outrage and convinced of our superiority, we're just going to turn back to the business of getting through the day and do nothing.

K.


Well said Kirata.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 9:36:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		So since we are neither willing nor ready to personally do anything about it(what are you suggessting a personal boycot of oil and its derivatives?) we should not voice our opinions concerning the obvious barbaric practice of beheading.And how does our labeling such an act as barbaric equate to "looking down our noses" or being sanctimonious.
I feel niether sanctimonious,superior nor morally uplifted......repulsed would be a much more accurate description of my emotion at this prospect and I apologise to no one for feeling that emotion.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:06:07 PM   
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Well said Kirata.

- LA


Agreed.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right on, Mike. These savages kidnapped a citizen of another country who was a guest in their country, and in a few hours they're going to chop his head off to keep themselves safe from sorcery. You're damned right I look down my nose at that, you're damned right I feel superior to that way of thinking, and I'm damned proud of it. If you can't render a judgment on something that barbaric without being sanctimonious, then nobody is ever qualified to offer an opinion on anything anyone else ever does, anywhere or in any context.

As for not doing anything about it - well, it seems our options are somewhat limited. Them being in Saudi Arabia, and us being here. But what I am going to do is make sure that this event is featured prominently in my next letter to my Senator, in which i will urge him to keep it in mind in the future when making foreign policy decisions regarding Saudi Arabia, and to consider publicly condemning the action on the floor of the US Senate.

Will it do any good? Probably not. But that won't stop me from bringing it up again in the next letter I send him, and periodically in the future as well. I'm going to make it my mission to keep the Saudis' barbarity on Senator Franken's radar for the foreseeable future, and with a little luck, it may eventually have some small effect on the dysfunctional relationship between that primitive monarchy and the United States. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but there's only so much we can do, and that's all I can think of at the moment.


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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:21:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just take extra care not to appear sanctimonious in your condemnation Panda.....seems one can't be too careful about such things these days.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll let Senator Franken do the sanctimonious thang. He's better at it than I am, the scathing little prick.

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:28:24 PM   
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The reason I stand by my affirmation that they're our friends is that we're in a position to exchange ideas with them.

They're human beings and they're here to stay so we might as well try to get along with them, and if we exchange ideas with them and turn them on to things like science and porn eventually they'll come around.



This is weirdly similar to something I wrote in the 'Science and Morality' thread.

Maybe I'm a conservative after all.

Aha!

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:30:08 PM   
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This is a horrible thing.  I will hope that his martyrdom becomes a rallying cry against the fundamentalists.





what are you the world cop?

If thine tv offends thee turn the damn thing off.

If you dont like the romans dont go there.

live and let live.

why destroy all the culture on this planet because you disagree with the way they live and force this bullshit people in this country think is freedom on them.


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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:31:57 PM   
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Right on, Mike. These savages kidnapped a citizen of another country who was a guest in their country, and in a few hours they're going to chop his head off to keep themselves safe from sorcery. You're damned right I look down my nose at that, you're damned right I feel superior to that way of thinking, and I'm damned proud of it. If you can't render a judgment on something that barbaric without being sanctimonious, then nobody is ever qualified to offer an opinion on anything anyone else ever does, anywhere or in any context.

As for not doing anything about it - well, it seems our options are somewhat limited. Them being in Saudi Arabia, and us being here. But what I am going to do is make sure that this event is featured prominently in my next letter to my Senator, in which i will urge him to keep it in mind in the future when making foreign policy decisions regarding Saudi Arabia, and to consider publicly condemning the action on the floor of the US Senate.

Will it do any good? Probably not. But that won't stop me from bringing it up again in the next letter I send him, and periodically in the future as well. I'm going to make it my mission to keep the Saudis' barbarity on Senator Franken's radar for the foreseeable future, and with a little luck, it may eventually have some small effect on the dysfunctional relationship between that primitive monarchy and the United States. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but there's only so much we can do, and that's all I can think of at the moment.




so you know all the details do ya? 

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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:33:25 PM   
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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:35:27 PM   
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You haven't had as much to drink as he probably has tonight.


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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:35:58 PM   
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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:36:02 PM   
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I don't think there's anything to be recommended in Muslim's beheading each other. But to look down our noses at how "barbaric" the Saudis are, compared to us enlightened folk, is sanctimonious nonsense when after basking in the cheap thrill of feeling morally uplifted by our outrage and convinced of our superiority, we're just going to turn back to the business of getting through the day and do nothing.
K.

Well said Kirata.
- LA

I hardly believe you two. You falsely equivocate. All I have to do is look, whether it's down my nose, straight up into the sky or if I can even open my eyes at all...to behead a person because their religious beliefs and because one just may happen to travel to your country, is the dark ages all over again and the modern brutal height of conceit...a murderous and yes, barbaric conceit.

As for being sanctimonious, morally superior...you got it. We in the modern world otherwise known as western civilization, in its great experiment in freedom including of the mind, settle our differences with intellect and compromise...not by chopping each other's heads off.

FYI...is it any fucking wonder that the last human being sold as chattel on earth was, you guessed it kinkroids...Saudi Arabia, 1969, over a century after the 'infidel' [sic] quit such sanctimony.


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RE: Our Friends, The Saudis, Will Behead A Tourist Tomo... - 4/1/2010 10:39:01 PM   
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Right on, Mike.

No comparison.

The operative phrase in my post was, "and do nothing." You're doing something.

Big difference.

K.



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