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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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their culture is more primitive

their culture should be very old and way from primitive ..but I wonder if it is the culture that causes beheadings..or religion..

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Which prophesies would that be then? Nostradamus is amazingly silent on this issue, as is Jeanne Dixon.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I respect them as human beings because its the right thing to do. Its you compassionate leftists who are constantly running about trying to inform us how superior you are to all the ignorant savages you feel you're surrounded by, isn't it.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Obama has to kiss arse to make sure they keep selling your country oil. What's your excuse for brown nosing them?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Absolute rot, Sanity, excuse my language.

They hate us because of how we deal with them and their countries. They feel threatened and so they react and resist.

Yes, the Quran says all sorts of things about us non Muslims, but it also makes clear that Muslims ought to be respectfully accepting of other "people of the book". It was written after all with the prime aim being to convert pagan Arabs and it is they who are the objects of those particular clauses, not to produce hatred towards Jews and Christians - many millions of whom live in primarily Islamic countries to this day, indicating again that this is more abour our foreign policies than our Christian culture, as otherwise these Jews and Christians would all be long dead.

E

Then explain the nightclub bombing in Bali. How do you apoligize for the killing of people in a nightclub? And the constant strife between Sunnis and Shia, as we see now in Iraq. Murdering innocent people on ocean liners and on airplanes. And the constant beheadings and bloody expansion of Islam since the 5th Century. And the behavior of the Barbary Pirates. And the millions and millions of other perfect examples that prove just how wrong you are.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Well, whatever their culture is, they are at least moving forward in Holland ;

Let's see what happens here

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The Saudi King is moderate, why do you think Obama was inspecting his royal toes on his last visit there. Its al-Qaeda that is extreme.

And though you feel you've the wisdom to judge, you're woefully ignorant as to what my views are of the various Islamic states.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The Saudi monarchy is moderate and friendly towards the West, especially in comparison to such governments in the area as the Iranian regime, and to the Iraq regime under Saddam, and Syria, and Libya, and so on.

They too are battling al-Qaeda and they are at least open to discussions. I seem to recall a certain Barack Obama bowing down low before the King and so at least two out of two presidents think they're friends who are worth holding on to.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

So when the Saudi government cuts someone's head off for being a witch, they're just decent but misguided human beings and "moderates", and when a Saudi citizen cuts someone's head off for being an infidel they're radical extremists who must be stamped out. Got it.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I respect them as human beings because its the right thing to do. Its you compassionate leftists who are constantly running about trying to inform us how superior you are to all the ignorant savages you feel you're surrounded by, isn't it.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Obama has to kiss arse to make sure they keep selling your country oil. What's your excuse for brown nosing them?

Here is the liar that is Sanity, explaining how much he respects Arabs and Muslims and how they are not ignorant savages.

Lying hypocritical ass.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_933765/mpage_5/key_arabs/tm.htm#935752

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Absolute rot, Sanity, excuse my language.

They hate us because of how we deal with them and their countries. They feel threatened and so they react and resist.

Yes, the Quran says all sorts of things about us non Muslims, but it also makes clear that Muslims ought to be respectfully accepting of other "people of the book". It was written after all with the prime aim being to convert pagan Arabs and it is they who are the objects of those particular clauses, not to produce hatred towards Jews and Christians - many millions of whom live in primarily Islamic countries to this day, indicating again that this is more abour our foreign policies than our Christian culture, as otherwise these Jews and Christians would all be long dead.

E

Then explain the nightclub bombing in Bali. How do you apoligize for the killing of people in a nightclub? And the constant strife between Sunnis and Shia, as we see now in Iraq. Murdering innocent people on ocean liners and on airplanes. And the constant beheadings and bloody expansion of Islam since the 5th Century. And the behavior of the Barbary Pirates. And the millions and millions of other perfect examples that prove just how wrong you are.

It must be hard to keep track of all of your lies. No one should take you seriously, you have no regard for the truth or decency.

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What are our options though Panda? We cant realistically impose our culture and values on them, all we can do is educate, inform, prompt, cajole and encourage.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I have no argument with the first statement, but I will reiterate what I have said. Some of the Saudi Royal family have backed AQ. Thats not a guess, thats a fact.

As for your second statement, you juged me as morally superior. Judge not lest you be judged and all that.
For the record, I made my judgement from your posts re Muslims.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

With respect Mike, showing how Sanity has gone off the rails is probably a task for which someone suitably qualified would be more appropriate; a behavioural psychologist for instance.

E

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

You do understand that was a most qualified "sanity is right" post don't you?
Given your clapping hands I would invite Lady E back to explain to you just where and just how often you have gone off the fucking rails over the last 5 pages.
By the way please point out where and who suggested we stop "talking" to them....I know you won't find a post of mine that states that..... changing the conversation would suit me fine, the conversation needs a switch in tenor and tone.
        Finally lets all go back and take a look at your Iran post....yanno the one where you characterised Iran under the Shah as "bright,energetic and vibrant country".....I'm just sitting here wondering why the country you are describing was ripe for revolution.Please name for me the previous examples from history of bright energetic and vibrant countries that experience cataclysmic regime changes.Let me help you here Sanity....zip,nada and none.....The Shah's secret police,trained by our CIA by the way,was a brutal and effective tool in keeping the Shah in power....so to sum up here....You don't really give a shit what conditions these people live under,as long as they will get in bed with the U.S. they are alright with Sanity.
That's cool,some might even call that a pragmatic approach to the world.....but for you to dress that up as an enlightened outlook ,where you take the role of a live and let live sort of guy....is just too much bullshit.You are a lying hypocrite who could care less about respecting the culture of others.....that argument coming from your "mouth" is insulting to the intelligence of the reader.

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Firm calls your problem "confirmation bias". You're reacting to what your preconceptions lead you to believe about my various positions rather than what my actual positions are.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I have no argument with the first statement, but I will reiterate what I have said. Some of the Saudi Royal family have backed AQ. Thats not a guess, thats a fact.

As for your second statement, you juged me as morally superior. Judge not lest you be judged and all that.
For the record, I made my judgement from your posts re Muslims.