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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:07:09 AM

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:09:48 AM

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...and every country has the right to show the program or not and if you live in a country that chooses to air the program you still have the power to change the channel. No one is ramming it down anyone's throat.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:13:37 AM

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:15:45 AM

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Too much discovery channel for you Aneirin.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:17:04 AM

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:17:11 AM

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You know, if anybody has the right to bitch about how South Park portrays them its us Canadians...they are always making fun of us! If they don't stop, one day we will just invade you guys to force the issue!

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 7:18:31 AM

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the residential address of the Baldwins has been classified long since Arpig

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:01:33 AM

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The one time I watched SP they lampooned Steinbeck.

Too far, South Park. Too far.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:26:09 AM

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Oh they should be able to make their cartoons…but… should they be on national public broadcasting stations?

Are you all so infantile that you believe it is ok to make fun of people just because you can? Then use the excuse, and not the true intent of free speech, to do it?

Grow up!!

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:28:13 AM

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Oh they should be able to make their cartoons…but… should they be on national public broadcasting stations?

Are you all so infantile that you believe it is ok to make fun of people just because you can? Then use the excuse, and not the true intent of free speech, to do it?

Grow up!!

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I thought that it was on Comedy Central. That is a cable channel. Not a public channel.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:28:22 AM

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Could just be a shrewd business move. If these guys were to have a lethal ‘accident’, who would write future scripts?

Now they will only have to weather the effects, if any, in the decline of viewers; time heals all.

Personally, I don’t care for the show, however, that is irrelevant to the issue. I believe in liberty of speech; you can say what you want, just don’t think there won’t be consequences. Especially inconsideration of how emotional people can get over words.

If I were the network, I’d probably prefer two pissed off writers, opposed to the possibility of two dead ones, or worse, like the loss of a whole building w/people inside; myself.

On the other hand, if there was something I felt I needed to say, I would say it, then deal with the consequences. I can’t say I believe I would feel a need to say a majority of the things expressed on ‘South Park’, and less likely, in same manner. I just don’t see any productiveness in it.

I think humor is all well and good; it seems to be a way of coping with things we are unable to effectively change. Often, the things we find to be funniest, are those that come the closest to tragedy, without actually going over the line to tragic.

I don’t think it is wise to cross the line to tragic, for the sake of humor, with people who seem to think nothing of extinguishing the lives of their enemies, nor of those who might get caught in the crossfire.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:30:15 AM

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nope it is on my local public network

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:32:43 AM

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it's in syndication.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 8:43:32 AM

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I know maybe they will make a cartoon of planes hitting the world trade center… you know show people jumping from the building and splattering on the pavement…oh funny funny.

Hey how about New Orleans…the kids could be on vacation and end up driving evacuation school buses…you know running over people…ending up wrecking on the bridge and blocking escape then heading to the dome for more fun.

How about this… lets have a show on abortion...imagine the fun there. They could carry signs with mutilated fetuses then end up playing football with one…fun fun fun.

What is our problem in America that we think hurting people…putting down their religion…making fun of the disabled funny.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 9:19:15 AM

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I suppose one could before acting or saying something, think of how it would affect others before acting, if there was in anyway a doubt in the mind that your proposed actions might cause upset to others, you have to then decide which way to go.

I'm sure there are a lot of scientific publications which contradict both the Koran and the Bible. Should those scientists also have considered the religious backlash of that? I hope not. Moreover, even if such an attitude was appropriate, it would've been impossible to carry out. For example, there are quite a lot of belief systems, and beyond that a lot of opinions people "hold dear". You can't possibly suggest that every statement I make, I should test against all their sacred texts and all those heartfelt opinions?

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If your attitude is fuck them, then your path is clear, but be prepared to accept any comeback and with that understand it might not be yourself that receives that comeback in whatever form it takes, an insult, a punch on the nose or other depending upon the aggrieved party's depth of hurt.

Not quite. The only consequences we can accept are non-violent in nature. Let them shout, let them protest, let them defend their point of view in public debates, let them make their own cartoons, let them publish on websites about it. But the act of being disrespectful to some prophet should never be seen as a justification for violence.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 9:19:47 AM

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The problem, is you think the the world should hold to high regard the laws of England and the USofA; not everyone thinks as you (thank God) and free speech is for everyone...according to your laws; with disregard to their traditions, cultures, countries. Not so, South Park creators, most likely knew the controversay this would stir; not like the Salmond Ruskie (spelling I know) incident, wherein he did an intellectual historic treaties; unlike the low grade insulting images South Park put forth.

You think because English Law says it....it is a sacrament from your queen mother's ass that ALL world wide must bow to.

Loosen your cock band, maybe you'll then discern the world is not according the your queen mother ass, and laws.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 9:28:19 AM

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Sorry xbrand, your argument holds no water...if we shouldn't expect our values to be honoured elsewhere, then why the fuck should we honour their values here.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 9:31:57 AM

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The problem, is you think the the world should hold to high regard the laws of England and the USofA; not everyone thinks as you (thank God) and free speech is for everyone...according to your laws; with disregard to their traditions, cultures, countries.

It's not just the UK, or the USA, or the whole Western world for that matter. Article 19 of the universal declaration of human rights grants freedom of opinion and expression to every human being. Countries which voted in favor of that declaration are not all Western in nature. The list includes Iran and Pakistan, ironically enough (no, really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights ).

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 10:22:15 AM

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Laws mean little in this discussion...metaphorically ...if I were to pass you on a street while I was walking my special needs child and you made fun of her you would be on your ass.

Now I don’t have a special needs child …but if I did…but I think you can understand the hurt and anger this kind of so called humor can generate in others. There is just no need for it in a civilized society.

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RE: Free Speech on "South Park"? - 4/23/2010 10:28:39 AM

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People have different amounts of risk they are willing to take. I wonder if Matt would still want to take this risk if Trey was murdered in such a way? Or vice versa. Or if either of them were willing to sign releases saying their families could not sue if this episode caused their death.

But there are more than the two of them involved in the making of the show and most of the other people probably aren't willing to be killed for doing a days work. The creators can afford the high level of security needed to stay safe, the mail room boy can't.

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