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Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:17:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot quote: There are Risks involved with any kind of relationship you establish with another human being in this world. Seriously, think about it for a moment. This is true. But risks vary enormously in intensity. Some are very small, some are quite significant, but reasonable, and some are extreme and quite unreasonable (such as playing Russian Roulette) Playing Russian Roulette is an activitity risk. You can not couple activities to the type of relationship involved. It's not the type of relationship one has that involves risks, it's the people you are involved with and the activities being done. Clearly, TPE or Inernal Enslavement does not require somebody to play russian roulette. The structure of the relationship itself is not where the Risks are at. Hell, people involved in so called "safe" vanilla relationships ending up in domestic violence situations, hurting or harming one another. A relationship structure or a type of relationship itself does not lend itself to the character and judgement of people involved. There are perfectly fucked up people that exist in all walks of life.

barelynangel -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:27:54 PM)
Chuckles, i always find it odd when someone posts this: quote: I really DON'T KNOW THE FUCK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS SO DON'T BE OFFENDED BY THE QUESTIONS OF THIS IGNORANT ASSHOLE. Instead if someone is willing to REALLY enlighten me I would appreciate it very, very, very much. So let me get this straight OP, you are disagreeing based upon your enlightened ignorance and lack of knowledge on the subject people are discussing here?? I just want to be clear where your disagreement oh and my favorite stating something is bullshit on topics you have literally stated: quote: I really DON'T KNOW THE FUCK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS SO DON'T BE OFFENDED BY THE QUESTIONS OF THIS IGNORANT ASSHOLE. You've suddenly gained knowledge and experience in these topics in the space of what 2 days? Damn you are go, it took me many many years of LIVING the concept to fully understand what i was living and why and how. angel

SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:35:00 PM)
I said this only to gain acceptance of people, because some were irritated. I don't consider myself neither ignorant nor asshole. It was said in affect. I think that despite lack of experience my advice is better for bestheadyet than yours. You too much assume that if slavery worked for you, that it will also work for her.

LaTigresse -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:39:12 PM)
SN you assume you know better than those that have experienced it. You are making a fool of yourself.

Lucienne -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:40:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot I said this only to gain acceptance of people, because some were irritated. I don't consider myself neither ignorant nor asshole. It was said in affect. I think that despite lack of experience my advice is better for bestheadyet than yours. You too much assume that if slavery worked for you, that it will also work for her. Word to the wise... just leave the slaves be. It's like trying to convince someone they don't want to go skydiving.

Jeffff -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:44:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse SN you assume you know better than those that have experienced it. You are making a fool of yourself. Frustrating huh?....lol Remember when your kids were young and just soooo...... this?...:)

LaTigresse -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:46:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse SN you assume you know better than those that have experienced it. You are making a fool of yourself. Frustrating huh?....lol Remember when your kids were young and just soooo...... this?...:) Yes...........shudders. The difference is.........I can't smack this one upside the head.

laurell3 -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 1:47:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot I said this only to gain acceptance of people, because some were irritated. I don't consider myself neither ignorant nor asshole. It was said in affect. I think that despite lack of experience my advice is better for bestheadyet than yours. You too much assume that if slavery worked for you, that it will also work for her. Word to the wise... just leave the slaves be. It's like trying to convince someone they don't want to go skydiving. Better yet, how about letting us all be..what we are....

barelynangel -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:07:51 PM)
I still will maintain that this is a good topic, it helps those people who are either new to slavery, or who are wary of it understand that there are many ways it can be achieved and its not about the EXTREMES but instead is simply about living life. The OP has decided that he knows best for people who are actually living a M/s relationship, its an example of how ignorance can cause panic and misconceptions about a concept that many find beauty and fulfillment in people and how the refusal to listen can maintain a lack of knowledge that feeds the ignorance. However, the more people with experience and knowledge explain their lives so to speak, the less ignorant some people will remain because there are people who listen instead of go off on panicked soapboxes. And its those people who will expand their knowledge and while it may not be something for them, they may come to understand a different aspect of how some people thrive in their lives. In all actuality, a lot of M/s is very hard to fully understand unless you experience it. Just as one has to experience to me to understand what subspace is or the enjoyment of getting beaten because S/m is a concept i am ignorant on and have no real knowledge about except what i have read here. But i am okay NOT understanding it but i also don't go around advising people about it either. angel

LaTigresse -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:11:04 PM)
I know I did not understand it AT ALL when I first began digging around in this stuff. I knew what I liked and what I would love to have, but never in my wildest imaginations would have believed that someone would want it from the other side of the dynamic. Even then, I thought I was more geared towards D/s for fun. Only in time did I realize that M/s was going to be the path that would be most fitting for me and how I needed to structure a relationship.

leadership527 -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:13:53 PM)
SocratesNot: Here's a thought experiment for you. Imagine, if you will, someone so wise, so wonderful, so honorable, so respect-worthy, so all around beneficial that it would be exactly the smart thing to do to pledge your life to following them. What if Carol thinks I am that person? Note, I'm not saying that I am such a person or that anyone else in the world ought to see me that way. But surely you must admit that she is hers to give. If she doesn't belong to herself, then who DOES she belong to? What if it was exactly the right choice to give herself to me?... Not in some "oooh, I'm such a weak submissive personality that I'm just overshadowed by him" sort of way but rather in a coldly calculated, logically thought out way?

porcelaine -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:17:26 PM)
Greetings Lucienne, quote: Having said that, I've probably read, I dunno, a hundred or so of porcelaine's comments and she strikes me as one of the most conscientiously self-aware and self-actualized individuals I have ever encountered. Thank you for the compliment. quote: Far from coming across as brainwashed, she has answers because she has given it a great deal of thought. I didn't take offense at what he said. I actually gave it some consideration later on. Where I began and I where I stand are light years apart. Although I share openly there is much I never put into the public realm. Some of it I'm still sorting out internally, other things due to privacy, and the rest I'm trying to accept. I don't believe I'm brainwashed. But for some reason certain people are able to wield great influence over my actions and person in a manner no one else has. And that's putting it rather mildly. Maybe it does sound strange to a person on the outside looking in. I wish I had the answers but I don't. I do know I've reached the point of no return. I can't go back. Yesterday no longer exists. It's all or nothing in my mind. At some point you reach the fork in the road. You've gone as far as you can and the safety blanket must be put to rest. Every comfort, fear, and impediment to his will and a complete surrender has to be set aside. Holding on hurt far more than letting go ever did. I've forsaken the guarantees and the last vestiges of the life I once knew. Oddly enough I'm happier, lighter, transparent, vulnerable, more surrendered and finally free. ~porcelaine

SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:18:23 PM)
Barelynangel, I am very aware of positive aspects of slavery. I mentioned them in my OP. I could write an essay about all the positive things I imagine that can be experienced in TPE or IE. Maybe I will even do it. I will write from my own perspective of all the positive, delightful experiences that I think that can be experienced in IE. However this is not the topic of this thread. This thread is titled "Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE" (I made a mistake in equating the two, I admit) So, that was about RISKS, not about the positive sides. Positive aspects are taken for granted. Finally I would like to ask you: Why are you so sure that slavery is right way for bestheadyet? Maybe it's not. I intentionally criticized your advice to her because I want her to be offered 2 different perspectives. In making any rational decision one must know both positive and negative aspects. That's why I criticized your advice to her.

bestheadyet -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:20:16 PM)
socrates not........ i TOTALLY understood where angel was coming from! and her advice was appreciated and i thanked her for it. if it all sounds so bad to you is YOU ARE NOT OF A SLAVE HEART OR MIND!!! thats what posters are trying to make you understand. if you don't 'get it'.well...live and let live Master has approved angels post to me....and says she is very wise. i am silly in love with my Master and when i recall this is not your ty- pical relationship and i have a special calling then i am totally OK SN go make a sandwich and enjoy some sunshine is my advice ....big hug

bestheadyet -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:23:25 PM)
i think youre a pretty smart cookie and i love your commentary miss P jos

SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:24:36 PM)
quote: SocratesNot: Here's a thought experiment for you. Imagine, if you will, someone so wise, so wonderful, so honorable, so respect-worthy, so all around beneficial that it would be exactly the smart thing to do to pledge your life to following them. What if Carol thinks I am that person? Note, I'm not saying that I am such a person or that anyone else in the world ought to see me that way. But surely you must admit that she is hers to give. If she doesn't belong to herself, then who DOES she belong to? What if it was exactly the right choice to give herself to me?... Not in some "oooh, I'm such a weak submissive personality that I'm just overshadowed by him" sort of way but rather in a coldly calculated, logically thought out way? Jeff, I can imagine it, and in this case, her situation is perfectly understandable. BTW, I don't have many objections about you and Carol at all. Your relationship with her seems very healthy and harmonious to me. The more I know about your relationship, the healthier it seems to me. However, not all TPE relationships are so good as yours. The point of my thread are RISKS involved in TPE, not discussion of perfectly healthy relationships.

SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:32:17 PM)
quote: YOU ARE NOT OF A SLAVE HEART OR MIND!!! Are YOU of slave heart or mind, bestheadyet? Or you are just trying to achieve the most extreme, "ultimate", "elitist", BDSM relationship called IE? Don't push yourself too far just to live up to expectations of others! Being a submissive is OK, being just a bottom is perfectly OK. You don't have to be slave if you are not really one.

barelynangel -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:34:48 PM)
Aww shucks Bestheadyet lol you are making me blush -- stop it! SocratesNot, You don't get it --what you see as RISKS are not necessarily RISKS of IE or TPE, they are risks of ANY relationship one enters. You want to make them specific to IE and TPE. The biggest risk a slave faces when she enters a concept of IE or TPE is that neither of those concepts will exist and she will find herself self-determining her slavery and that will leave her unfulfilled and that is when all the "issues" you are freaking out about start occuring and when the danger appears. But of course, you know better and i find it ironic you think its SAFE to advise people of a topic you claim ignorance and lack knowledge about -- or have you gained experience as i said earlier in the two days since you stated ignorance? What IS your experience? See SocratesNot, to ME, people like YOU are the risks because you deal in misconception, ignorance, and wanting to freak out. So you want to talk about risks, you are one of those risks slaves and those who want to become such encounter when they come online to understand a little more from others who have lived same and they want to see their knowledge and advice and experience. But somehow i don't think you thought of yourself as a risk have you? One of the things i usually advise new slaves or women who want to be slaves is get away from online because it will really mess with your mind if you don't fully understand things, and focus on your master. But you wouldn't understand why i say that Socratesnot. angel

SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:43:53 PM)
Calling me a risk is ridiculous. I am as much risk as their own mind is risk. All the things that I mentioned they could also think of on their own. But when you are in slavery it is risky to think, isn't it?

porcelaine -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/27/2010 2:44:44 PM)
bestheadyet, quote: i think youre a pretty smart cookie and i love your commentary miss P Thank you for the compliment. I wish you and yours all the best. ~porcelaine

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