Solutions to Problems...

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

Solutions to Problems...

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Solutions to Problems...

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:20:30 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

First, please take this thread with a bit of an irreverent attitude, as is intended.

Often when I read of the problems that plague our society, my mind immediately leaps to some "no-nonsense" (or maybe nonsense) answer; one that appears to address the problem, though might not be well thought out or realistically workable.

For example, a thread was started this morning about gang shootings in Chicago. I thought, so what? If a bunch of thugs want to mow each other down with gunfire, more power to 'em. Less thugs everyone else has to worry about. Less thugs, less thug related crime, less police work to investigate, less clogging of the court system, less money needed to imprison. Where's the problem? Heck, round 'em up and let them duke it out to the death somewhere. Problem solved.

Yeah... I know. Not very compassionate. Not politically correct.

Nevertheless, I thought it might be interesting to introduce a brainstorming thread for suggestions to some of the problems we love to discuss here.

I emphasize suggestions for solutions, mind you... not retribution. We all know that Bush needs to be drawn and quartered... BP execs should be tarred and feathered... and people who pollute should be required to live in a dump. Save that type of thing for a thread on payback. Here I'm asking for possible actions to solve the underlying problems. Not fully formed and thought out plans, but ideas that might hold some kernel of common sense or truth. I'll start...

I loathe politicians and I believe our political system is designed in such a way that it attracts some of the smarmiest, self-serving people who congregate in DC and quickly get caught up in the celebrity of being legislators.

My solution is to only allow federal legislators to serve two terms, maximum. Basic pay and benefits only. No lifelong pensions. No more voting on their own pay and benefits. They must live and work in their respective districts, around and with their constituents for ten months out of the year. Congress can meet quarterly for two weeks at a time to vote on pre-determined agendas under a strict timetable. Agendas would be set by a quorum of state legislators... they will determine what they want to be handled on a national basis. They would also decide on pay and benefits at the federal level.

Your turn.

Post #: 1

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:26:41 PM

Real0ne

Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline

quote:

Agendas would be set by a quorum of state legislators... they will determine what they want to be handled on a national basis. They would also decide on pay and benefits at the federal level.

why would the same approach yield different results?

You have "leaders" now. Hows that working for ya?

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 2

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:28:11 PM

SL4V3M4YB3

Posts: 3506
Joined: 12/20/2007
From: S.E. London U.K.
Status: offline

Not much continuity with that idea.

I mean a two year term wouldn't give you much of a direction in terms of how your wanted your laws to be formed.

_____________________________

Memory Lane...been there done that.

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 3

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:29:20 PM

pahunkboy

Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline

Abolish the Federal Reserve.

(in reply to SL4V3M4YB3)

Post #: 4

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:30:30 PM

SL4V3M4YB3

Posts: 3506
Joined: 12/20/2007
From: S.E. London U.K.
Status: offline

Then you'll end up with something like the Euro.

_____________________________

Memory Lane...been there done that.

(in reply to pahunkboy)

Post #: 5

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:35:41 PM

Louve00

Posts: 1674
Joined: 2/1/2009
Status: offline

Treasure this is a fantastic thread!

In the past (though not very well thought out, so never aired to discuss), I've often wondered to myself. What if we did away with parties altogether and thought of causes (or had goals) you wanted to see accomplished or tackled. What if the politician chose the causes he believes in and will fight for, regardless of what party affiliation he has, and people voted, not for the man, but for the cause. In the end, avging out all the causes one man will fight for and all the things people would like to see tackled would determine who would be most suited to be elected.

**editted to add** I know there is a lot to be worked out with a solution like this, and don't know if it'd even be a solution. But I do hate that dividing line of dem/repub and lib/con

< Message edited by Louve00 -- 5/30/2010 3:38:30 PM >

_____________________________

For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearance, as though they were realities and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are. - Niccolo Machiavelli

(in reply to pahunkboy)

Post #: 6

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:37:05 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why would the same approach yield different results?

Oh, you know... as I said, it isn't a fully formed plan. Not even one that is completely realistic. I would imagine a similar approach to state legislators would be in order, instead, they would answer directly to their constituents. We live in the wonderful, modern world of communication. Surely there would be some way for the people to let their state representatives know what is on their minds.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Not much continuity with that idea.

I mean a two year term wouldn't give you much of a direction in terms of how your wanted your laws to be formed.

*grumbles* I'm not sure there's much need for more Federal laws.

The idea is that I don't see much value in career politicians. If our system is soooo complex that it takes years to get the hang of things, then maybe it's time to make it a little easier.

(in reply to Real0ne)

Post #: 7

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:40:17 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

Treasure this is a fantastic thread!

In the past (though not very well thought out, so never aired to discuss), I've often wondered to myself. What if we did away with parties altogether and thought of causes (or had goals) you wanted to see accomplished or tackled. What if the politician chose the causes he believes in and will fight for, regardless of what party affiliation he has, and people voted, not for the man, but for the cause. In the end, avging out all the causes one man will fight for and all the things people would like to see tackled would determine who would be most suited to be elected.

Yay! That's the idea Louve. And I like yours. I've never agreed with any one party's platform. And third party candidates really don't stand a chance. This would level the playing field greatly!

(in reply to Louve00)

Post #: 8

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:40:34 PM

SL4V3M4YB3

Posts: 3506
Joined: 12/20/2007
From: S.E. London U.K.
Status: offline

How can you prevent people forming groups? There is no law that states you have to vote for one of the major parties but in the end it is just assumed by the electorate that block votes are the only ones that have influence.

People like groups they are social creatures, they will therefore always form groups.

< Message edited by SL4V3M4YB3 -- 5/30/2010 3:41:01 PM >

_____________________________

Memory Lane...been there done that.

(in reply to Louve00)

Post #: 9

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:41:26 PM

kiwisub12

Posts: 4742
Joined: 1/11/2006
Status: offline

Welfare mothers - solution - welfare for the first kid (anyone can make a mistake)
half for the second one and manditory tubes tied.
Welfare fathers - vasectomy after the second kid sired.

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 10

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:46:11 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

How can you prevent people forming groups? There is no law that states you have to vote for one of the major parties but in the end it is just assumed by the electorate that block votes are the only ones that have influence.

People like groups they are social creatures, they will therefore always form groups.

Maybe it's time to change the assumptions.

The system would need to be tweaked, for sure. No more primaries, but how about preliminaries, instead? The top two candidates face off in the general. People can still form and join groups, but the system will no longer facilitate any one or two groups.

(in reply to SL4V3M4YB3)

Post #: 11

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:49:28 PM

Louve00

Posts: 1674
Joined: 2/1/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

How can you prevent people forming groups? There is no law that states you have to vote for one of the major parties but in the end it is just assumed by the electorate that block votes are the only ones that have influence.

People like groups they are social creatures, they will therefore always form groups.

People do like groups and thats why parties have been so popular. I'm not saying voting for a cause would work, either because a man determined to win may just poll the general consensus and "say" he's fighting for this cause or that, bringing us right back to the political arena, once more.

But people don't have to congregate in a party affiliated group. They can socialize and gather in a group that is more focused on what they (whoever they is) is focused on. Its a matter of breaking the way we've programmed ourself. It wouldn't stop us from socializing, but it would align us all better with what we want.

It is just a thought, and one that I thought of in passing, more than take as a serious thought. But listening to some people here go totally apeshit over things (and this forum isn't the only place going apeshit, Congress is doing a pretty good job of it too), is a result of partisanship. And that is getting us absolutely no where.

_____________________________

For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearance, as though they were realities and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are. - Niccolo Machiavelli

(in reply to SL4V3M4YB3)

Post #: 12

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:49:32 PM

SL4V3M4YB3

Posts: 3506
Joined: 12/20/2007
From: S.E. London U.K.
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
*grumbles* I'm not sure there's much need for more Federal laws.

The idea is that I don't see much value in career politicians. If our system is soooo complex that it takes years to get the hang of things, then maybe it's time to make it a little easier.

Perhaps if Politian's had a better understanding of existing laws they wouldn't see the need for new laws. If I see the world is wrong and I want to fix it, being a novice I'll start from scratch, others however (with experience) can see how existing laws could be adapted rather than bringing in a whole new set of laws conflicting with pre-existing laws.

We have an issue with our House of Lords they are unelected and so everyone moans about them needing to be elected but what would we get for that? Would we get people with a better understanding of the current laws, no we'd have a lot of people starting from scratch. It's not ideal by overall they don't have that much power and nobody else could really replace their function.

< Message edited by SL4V3M4YB3 -- 5/30/2010 3:57:38 PM >

_____________________________

Memory Lane...been there done that.

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 13

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:52:54 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Welfare mothers - solution - welfare for the first kid (anyone can make a mistake)
half for the second one and manditory tubes tied.
Welfare fathers - vasectomy after the second kid sired.

Not a bad idea, kiwi. Since everyone is always concerned about having control over their own body, then they need to take responsibility for their own body.

(in reply to kiwisub12)

Post #: 14

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 3:59:02 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Abolish the Federal Reserve.

Honestly, PA... I don't delve much into the financial aspects of how our world currently works. Not very informed, I agree, but there's only one of me and I keep pretty busy.

I am sure, however, that there is much to be improved upon.

(in reply to pahunkboy)

Post #: 15

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 4:40:17 PM

Real0ne

Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why would the same approach yield different results?

Oh, you know... as I said, it isn't a fully formed plan. Not even one that is completely realistic. I would imagine a similar approach to state legislators would be in order, instead, they would answer directly to their constituents. We live in the wonderful, modern world of communication. Surely there would be some way for the people to let their state representatives know what is on their minds.

Ok....so because yer kool, lets start with a little history so everyone dont simply damn the topedoes and full speed ahead over the cliff.

originally the created 13 colonies = municipalities - body politics = non-profit corporations = the ability for the people as a group to operate in commerce under one name for billing and what not, all under the king as his vassals. (property)

ie their bodies and all they possess are the property of the king.

then came the articles of confederation which put the states under the law of nations, then the declaration of independence which declared individual sovereignty meaning each person was a king or queen respectively with no one to govern but themselves.

We were in a true republic for about 7 years.

Then came the constitution creating a military government and later the first corporation as a district known as columbia and later all the satellite states and sub corps created "under" the "united states".

This was the beginning in law for the democracy. the only way you can have a democracy is by corporation or the whole body politic operating under one name in accord with its bylaws.

In the republic people have complete "individual" freedom of religion and the same political status of kings and queens.

In a democracy they give up the rights to join the club and political status is determined by the club.

Hence by the time we get to lincoln we have a strong divide between those who wish individual rights withing the republic and those who wish to have the bargaining power of the big corporation. Origninally the United States, now the states and also the counties and also the cities.

If you live in any city you are presumed to be a resident UNDER the cities corporate charter.

Hence they see you as part of their club.

Hence you are presumed to receive protection from them, (no different than the arrangement with the king, but americans are not educated enough in these matter to know or understand the differences).

Hence you are ascribed duties and obligations and liabilities

Hence owe them taxes for these "presumptions".

So was the beginning of the republican and democratic parties.

One side was for the individual and one side was for the corporate.

THAT is where we need to start if you wish to sort the mess out.

People have no clue today why they are on one side or the other or the history as to how it came to be that way.

Under the republic its pretty much individual issue driven under the democracy its club groups battling it out.

Under the republic you can attack any issue and vote for whoever will fix what you think is important.

Under the democracy the club decides for you what issues will be voted on.

In the republic you vote for what is the best, most people in the democracy vote for the lessor of 2 evils.

In the democracy you pay them to redistribute YOUR money to you, in the republic you dont pay 40 pages of taxes on the tax roll and you donate to the charity of your choice.

In the republic you own your land free and clear of all taxation and government intervention, in the democracy the government has legal title and controls your property has the authority to take it away from you for several reasons.

Finally the republic has authority over the democracy and controls, only problem is no one is seated in the offices of the republic. The only offices seated are the democracy.

The people are sleeping on their posts and lost their control of the goverment so now your representatives throw your complaints in the trash and do whatever they want because there is no law binding them to you in the democracy.

Now that is where the bear shits in the ole buckwheat and my advice is dont believe me but do your own research and in a few years if you are a good researcher you will verify everything I said is true.

So after all that, point being you need to decide what you want.

Individual freedom or club privileges.

After you all accomplish that then move on to decide how to fix what we have out here. At least you will have the bullets of knowledge to accomplish what you set out to do.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 5/30/2010 5:03:19 PM >

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 16

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 5:02:42 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why would the same approach yield different results?

Oh, you know... as I said, it isn't a fully formed plan. Not even one that is completely realistic. I would imagine a similar approach to state legislators would be in order, instead, they would answer directly to their constituents. We live in the wonderful, modern world of communication. Surely there would be some way for the people to let their state representatives know what is on their minds.

Ok....so because yer kool, lets start with a little history so everyone dont simply damn the topedoes and full speed ahead over the cliff.

Thank you. But what is your solution?

(in reply to Real0ne)

Post #: 17

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 5:08:01 PM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

Here is mine, Treasure. Actually two.

First, since someone already opened up the welfare issue. My solution is limiting the number of children to those an applicant enrolls with... no more. Next, requiring an education for every adult on the welfare dime, no exceptions.

Second.... am i the only one tired of hearing about the tax situation? I would love to see some cities used as examples. Take a few, cut taxes, then watch the fall out as their benefits across the board are reduced dramatically.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 18

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 5:13:24 PM

Real0ne

Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why would the same approach yield different results?

Oh, you know... as I said, it isn't a fully formed plan. Not even one that is completely realistic. I would imagine a similar approach to state legislators would be in order, instead, they would answer directly to their constituents. We live in the wonderful, modern world of communication. Surely there would be some way for the people to let their state representatives know what is on their minds.

Ok....so because yer kool, lets start with a little history so everyone dont simply damn the topedoes and full speed ahead over the cliff.

Thank you. But what is your solution?

well you see since its a very real solution and frankly to itemize it could put me in a position of being construed as an enemy of the state so I am not really comfortable going beyond pointing out how the whole thing was created. However I think if you stare at it all for a while and ponder it the answers will be readily apparent. That and telling you does no good, its something you have to know by your own devices. Until then its not a workable solution anyway. That would be like a multi part equation and giving someone the answer to one part they tell the teacher and the teacher asks them for part 2 and they are speechless.

take note btw that all the solutions people here will give you will be under the democracy or the corporate veil and an inferior position in law.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 5/30/2010 5:17:11 PM >

_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to TreasureKY)

Post #: 19

RE: Solutions to Problems... - 5/30/2010 5:17:37 PM

TreasureKY

Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Here is mine, Treasure. Actually two.

First, since someone already opened up the welfare issue. My solution is limiting the number of children to those an applicant enrolls with... no more. Next, requiring an education for every adult on the welfare dime, no exceptions.

I agree with limiting the number of children that an applicant can enroll with. I'm not so sure of the education part... is that to enhance marketability or qualifications in the work force?

Personally, I'd require able-bodied welfare recipients to earn their welfare with service of some type.

I'm also not opposed to criminals having to earn their keep inside prison, either. But it shouldn't be set up where it can become considered slave labor for the benefit of society. The fruits of their labor should be of direct benefit only to the institution where they are incarcerated.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Second.... am i the only one tired of hearing about the tax situation? I would love to see some cities used as examples. Take a few, cut taxes, then watch the fall out as their benefits across the board are reduced dramatically.

I get tired of hearing about the taxes, too. I wouldn't mind seeing the same examples, but I'd be rooting for their success. I'm a big believer in humankind's ability to survive whatever is necessary.

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Post #: 20

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Solutions to Problems...

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.094