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LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 3:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Because buying coffee for a date is just sooooo unreasonable. [:D] A CUP OF COFFEE??? Well your just whore out to use him for his money LP [;)]

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 3:41:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron Likewise I cannot believe how many men have a strange double standard also. They think my job (which I work in a male dominated profession btw) should either pay me less OR when they ask me out on dates, we should go dutch. I'm still trying to figure out what one has to do with the other. And if you don't want to buy the woman anything, don't do it. See? That makes it equal. HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yeah cause that would work. I can see being in LOTS of mutually gratifying relationships that way. Come on be Honest you want all the Perks of Equality but none of the Social Stigma that goes with it. Actually I do not want someone who does equal work to get paid less, I want someone who is held to the same standard to get the job. In Fire Fighter Training women are often not required to maintain the same weight differencial as the men are. Do I think they can do the job? Sure! But do I think they should get the job over someone else when less was required of them? NO. I actually like seeing women in prodominantly Male Industries it always make me happy, I think they should be paid what they are WORTH. Not the same as a man in the same industry, but what they are worth, so if they are busting ass I think they should be paid more that a man in that situtaion. However as is what I am used in my experience less is expected, and sadly in every situation the same wage IS paid. I have worked Union Tile and Masonry, I have worked the Steel Industry, I have worked in the Security Industry (Not anywhere as like a prison, but I do have my POST Cert Level II Training) What did I notice? Forman accepted less from the Female setters and in most cases they stayed on the job to meet fair labor quotas. Not always but I noticed it enough that it was noticed. On Average they were allowed a 10% drop in expected Square Ft being laid. In Steel, they rarely is EVER carried their own Steel. Sure we all have helpers but when I go to set steel, I carry just as much as my helper, of the two examples I have they did not carry their own steel. In Security, well lets just say that the number of people working Guard Shacks and Gate Houses who are female TOPPLE the number that are male and the number of times you see females on construction sites is so small that the few times I came across it I remember hating is because without fail they all complained about the job. I am not Gender Biast, I know it sounds like I am, but I'm not I just expect the same from a man as I do a woman regardless of pay and in the above industries I never got it. Now the time I spent as a Service Technician I will openly admit that most of the women I worked with were better at what they did than I was and they noticed things that I would never have noticed. They should have been paid more than I was... They usually were.. and I never bitched about it. QSM

diamonddiego -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 4:11:01 AM)
Sheer greed and an over inflated sense of enttitlement come to mind when you start talking with women who claim to be a Mistress. It is easy to associate the demand for money with the self-given title they have. Combine that with greed and a sense of entitlement and you finally have someone with no scruples or morals who most likely is having financial difficulties if they have to leach off of you or someone else. But when it comes to women in general, I have come to expect no less from them.

LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 4:24:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan quote: ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron Likewise I cannot believe how many men have a strange double standard also. They think my job (which I work in a male dominated profession btw) should either pay me less OR when they ask me out on dates, we should go dutch. I'm still trying to figure out what one has to do with the other. And if you don't want to buy the woman anything, don't do it. See? That makes it equal. HA HA HA HA HA HA. Yeah cause that would work. I can see being in LOTS of mutually gratifying relationships that way. Come on be Honest you want all the Perks of Equality but none of the Social Stigma that goes with it. QSM We are on the same page I did say EQUAL WORK FOR EQUAL PAY. Now I am not a firefighter, but If they are going to pay according to the amount of work done, I would bet women would win everytime. (and note, I said the amount of work, not how much strength a person has) Mostly because in those types of professions EVERYTHING that is not heavy lifting is usually assigned to women. Yes, a male firefighter might be able to better pick up a person and carry him out of a fire. Ask the average firefighter how many times he has had to do that in his career. If a fireman is really unlucky it might happen to him once or twice in a career. Go visit your local fire department and you will see that the vast majority of their time is spent cooking, eating, and sleeping. Most have never had to carry someone out of a fire. (and yes it is a job hazard and it may happen so they do need to be prepared for it) Its the same as cops. Although they have hazards like gunshots, most go through their career never having to shoot anyone and not being shot at. ALL OF THIS STILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DATING AND PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS. If I ask a man out on a date I PAY FOR THE DATE. Simply put, if I asked him for his time then its on my dime. On the flipside of that, if a man asks me for my time, its going to be on HIS dime. While this works for me, I don't hold this up to everyone because its a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. However you deal with your wife, girlfriend, significant other is your business, and has nothing to do with how you are paid at work. Now you would think your boss was crazy if he cut your paycheck because of how much money your wife made on her job........This used to be the NORM for women. They were paid less because "they had a husband to take care of them" while men "had families to support." The point is, what was going on in a private home was none of the employers business. Likewise, what is going on at my job, is none of my dates business.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 5:24:28 AM)
What a Crock of Shit. If you can't do the Job Title then you should not be paid to do the Job. If someone cannot carry a Body out of a fire then they are a Liability when it comes to FireFighters. There are only so many seats in an engine and if one of those seats is unable to save a life because they physically can't then there is something wrong with the system. Now Equal is Equal NOT COMPARABLE. It isn't Equal Pay for Comparable Work. SO I don't really care how many Paperclips you can place and how many hoses you can fold if you can't do the job then you should not get the pay. This is one of the reasons that a womans Menstral period gets brought up so offten, many women while on their period with the menstral cramps and general craziness that can go along with that time are not in all situations providing equal work. A Person in pain does not perform at the same maximum capasity as someone who is in no pain at all. Considering that the average woman has this menstral issue ever 28 days for a period of 3 to 10 days goes to the idea that some women are not able to give 100% of thier abilities 100% of the time, where the same can be said for a Man there is no reason that he cannot provide 100% and so the woman is judged based on a medically valid position. And you are right none of this has to do with dating, I only bring it up because you did when you started talking about equal pay for equal work which I agree with completely but there are situations where I do not believe that equality is being met and I think it is a shame that pay is equal considering the situations involved. As for dating, what is funny is that equality thing again. Women want equality and yet how many women think it is the mans job to initiate the dateing section is flawed because women who do not actually actively partisipate in the act will say that they WOULD and saing one would is not the same as actually doing so. Fact of the matter is, is that romance is a gendercentric concept with women EXPECTING men to ask them out, pay their way, and sweep them off their feet. Then when everything is Hunky Dorey talk about equality and Independence. Not every woman is like this but I will say that there are more who are playing the gambit then there are those who actually behave as if they are equal. You are NOT independent if you have things that you could not afford on your own unless someone else paid for them. The MAJORITY of couples are Interdependent. Now how many think that the Home structure is Equal? In Many cases NOT EVEN CLOSE. QSM

LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 5:42:18 AM)
For starters a firefighter MALE OR FEMALE cannot graduate the fire academy without carrying a body. So that argument is moot to begin with. I refuse to even comment on menstrual cycles making women less capable. THAT'S JUST BULLSHIT AND ITS REFUTED BY SCIENCE. I and many other women have gone through Army boot camp right alongside males (thats right, even the military trains them together now) and we did everything, passed every test and performed every duty that was required by males. EVEN DURING THAT TIME OF THE MONTH. I DID NOT BRING UP EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. A man did. I only disagreed with his logic, that demanding equal pay has nothing to do with dating. So at least, you agree. If you have a problem with asking women out then you really should not do it. Let them approach you. AND you need to check your stats. I think the last report that was issued said that today the average married woman is actually earning more than her husband.

thishereboi -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 5:54:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: diamonddiego Sheer greed and an over inflated sense of enttitlement come to mind when you start talking with women who claim to be a Mistress. It is easy to associate the demand for money with the self-given title they have. Combine that with greed and a sense of entitlement and you finally have someone with no scruples or morals who most likely is having financial difficulties if they have to leach off of you or someone else. But when it comes to women in general, I have come to expect no less from them. Translated: I can't get laid so I am really pissed off at all women right now. Good luck with that[8\|]

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:04:28 AM)
WOW you just like arguing the opposite no matter what is brought up. Yes Women are making more than Men these days. Average wise anyway. Which means numbers of households where both partners earn an income. Which is lots and lots, so it would seem to me that the wage world is offering the equality that women are speaking about. As for the comments on Menstral Matters, I can cal just as much on bullshit as you can, Yes the Military trains them side by side but even the military says that 10% had menstration as a reportable issue in this particular study of Female West Point Cadets, this isn't even basic training. Now I could not find similar writeups on Military studies done but I do know that there is a slight double standard, In all the non-sourse related links to wiki answers and ask.com's and all that other non factual stuff most females talked about going to the Infermary or Medical station if their cramps got really bad where they were given a motrin and about 10 minutes before being returned to duty during basic training. In Fact most Male First SGTS would yell at them for it but they knew that the SGT would let them go. Not all women do this, but it also points out that most Menstral cycles get lighter because of all the training. The Above Linked Study reports that as well. Now Yes carrying a Body is required by all people, GETTING THEM DOWN STAIRS. However the rules for carrying Hose UP stairs is Different for men then it is for women. Has been for quite some time Now. Some women take the full load but they are not required to to pass the test. You and I are saying pretty much the same thing, you just seem to think it's okay for women to get away with certain perks just cause they got a Pussy and I think that isn't Equality. QSM

LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:08:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Translated: I can't get laid so I am really pissed off at all women right now. Good luck with that[8\|] ROFLMAO- Thank you for breaking that down for the layperson.[:D]

LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:20:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan You and I are saying pretty much the same thing, you just seem to think it's okay for women to get away with certain perks just cause they got a Pussy and I think that isn't Equality. QSM Well, I don't really need to read about boot camp. I was there. On top of that MY FIRST SGT WAS A WOMAN. We didn't get let off duty because we had cramps and none of the women I knew even asked because we knew it wasn't happening. [8\|] So all of this is because you are angry about the power of pussy. That's understandable, if I were man I might be angry too. Its tough wanting something you don't have especially when that somthing is controlled by someone else who COULD give it to you but won't. (DAMN! THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE A DESCRIPTION OF MONEY DOESN'T IT?) Oh well, if that's your point then you are right I don't deny the power of the pussy and I see nothing wrong with men who CHOOSE to give women perks because they have a pussy. That's between the two people involved...... but back to my original point, and the only point I was trying to make and this it: HOW I DATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I GET PAID AT WORK. Thank you for a civilized exchange of ideas.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:44:12 AM)
Believe it or not... THANK YOU, you proved the only point I was caring to make. Women KNOW that the pussy has power and know full well that they can use it to get what they want, they know it comes with perks. I'm not angry though, I do just fine in the Pussy Department, and when I'm not most women give it up after enough money is spent so I'm covered there too. My only issue is that women claim to want equality and then use what they got to make sure things aren't equal. Oh and I wanted to add that by your own point made in various posts in this thread that... The Fact that I have a Penis has NOTHING to do with how you get paid at work either. I guess I missed where the guy made the point on Equal blah blah blah, I only saw your comment. Also I agree thank you for the same civility. QSM

Andalusite -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:30:50 AM)
I really don't see how demanding pay based on performance and experience is a problem, regardless of gender, or how it has anything to do with going on dates. I'll go dutch if the man doesn't offer to pay, but I do prefer when he is a gentleman, which includes things like paying, holding the door for me, being polite to the waitress or waiter, and so forth. When I'm in a relationship, I will offer to treat sometimes. While ethnicity isn't a big deal for me, I'm not obligated to have a quota of so many men of each ethnic group, or to not discriminate based on age or disability. [8\|] There is no Affirmative Action in dating.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:39:38 AM)
quote: but I do prefer when he is a gentleman, which includes things like paying, holding the door for me, being polite to the waitress or waiter, and so forth. And this is the shit that drives me nuts. So being a Gentleman includes Paying? How exactly are the two exclusive? I don't mind paying in fact I usually fight for the check I like coveing things like that makes me feel good about me that I have in some way been responsible for feeding someone I like that. But to say that if I do not pay that I am not a Gentlemen presents me with the harsh view of you as being no where near being a lady. To base a mans nature on if he pays for your meal is certainly a knock for women everwhere. QSM

Lockit -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:52:00 AM)
The age old war between men and women. lol When I was a little girl (6) I had this dream that repeated at least once a week for a year and then about once a year after that until I was nineteen. I always remember that dream when the men v women comes up. lol It was an odd dream, just as the war between men v women. I won't go into the dream, but there was always a battle between them even when some wanted change. The strengths of each were displayed in my dream and how I could dream something so past my age and comprehension still amazes me. But that dream never ended and the war never resolved. We are simply... different. We can never be equal, not in a tit for tat kind of way. As long as we go back and forth trying to prove equality in a sense of fair play, it will never be resolved. What I find interesting was that in my dreams, it was just as it is in real life. The worst was often seen before the beauty of what could be found. The majority hit the sore spots and the minority held to blame. Anytime we say men do this and women do that, we are continuing that war. We can go back and forth, add our experiences and our left overs from wounds and while some may see the beauty it gets lost in the tug of war between men and women. In my dreams there were a few that fought to stop this war and I was one of them and after getting to damn near fifty three years of life, just as in my dreams, I have learned that we just aren't ready to cross that bridge and make peace. lol Some may... but that war continues. lol

ReginaMirus -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 9:01:57 AM)
Because the fact remains, you (collective generality, not directed at any one individual) really aren't going to have anymore to do with us once the goodies are given up. You're not going to call, email or text us anymore, because you've gotten your fill. Hey, we know the score. We know you'd never in a million years consider it any kind of SERIOUS relationship, let alone let your friends or family know and subject yourselves to any further rebuke or social stigma. So what's so very wrong about getting what we can from you BEFORE you drop us like a hot potato, hhmm?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 9:03:53 AM)
I went out for a meet with a guy from the flip side. We hung out for two hours, had a nice convo. When the check came, he took the SEVEN DOLLARS that was my share of the tab. Because I never EXPECT to not pay for myself. Who of my friends was more appalled by that, the men or the women? Srsly, SEVEN DOLLARS to make a good impression.

Lockit -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 9:17:25 AM)
When my son was a teen, he worked and made his own money. He was a good kid, but he did have his little issues and when he did, how did I punish him? LOL... I took what mattered most to him. Not his time, not his energy or service in cleaning, not his games or outings... nope... I took the thing that hurt him most and let me tell you what damage one friggin dollar could do to that kid! ROFL He still bitches about it, but with a smile because he knows well... hit a man in the pocket and that's going to make an impression. (His words, not mine.)

girlygurl -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 9:19:58 AM)
No disrespect.... but this thread keeps scrolling at the top of my screen, so I thought I'd post something too [:)] I'm not a Mistress but I'll take your money [8D] Sorry for the interruption.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 9:21:01 AM)
Adores mah Girly

splorff -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 10:24:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbietom2 i apologize for being so naive, but it seems that every time i FINALLY have the opportunity to start a relationship with a Mistress, Her first request is that i give Her money (i.e., an allowance, tuition, spending money, gifts, etc). While i am certainly more than willing to, and even very excited about the opportunity to shower a potential Mistress with gifts, money, my labor, etc., i am very suspicious about the sincerity of the Mistress when monetary contributions are Her first requirement. As a result, i have ended several very promising relationships before they even started, and i keep questioning myself whether i did the right thing. Am i out of line in thinking that a D/s relationship should evolve somewhat prior to significant financial demands by the Mistress? i am very sincere in seeking a long term D/s relationship, but it seems to be very difficult. Ask yourself what you are seeking Tom. Is it to have a loving relationship with a beautiful 25 year old Domme ? At 58 its not likely. If you really seek love with a Domme seek one your age, its much more likely to happen. If you are only really interested in being Dommed by a beautiful young thing, the only you are probably going to bring it about, is by paying her for her services. She almost certainly will never love you. To her, despite the smiles and welcome, you are just a wallet.

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