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naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 4:48:17 PM)
LadyCimarron quote: Today's men want sex from their girlfriends and wives but when it comes to the workforce they don't expect their female co-workers to have sex with them. Hypocrisy much? What does one's job (in whichmen and women are doing the exact same work) have to do with a relationship with two people who are trying to join their personal lives together? My point is that when it comes to money, women demand equality in areas where they may be disadvantaged. But then expect men to shut up about equality in the areas where they want to be advantaged. That's what I define as 'hypocrisy" It only seems "unfair" when women are getting the short end of the stick. quote: They think my job (which I work in a male dominated profession btw) should either pay me less OR when they ask me out on dates, we should go dutch. I'm still trying to figure out what one has to do with the other. Who is"they"? Who are these people? Does this mean most or all men? The US Department of Labor even verifies that the belief of discrimination against women in the workforce is a crock of poop. http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf quote: And if you don't want to buy the woman anything, don't do it. See? That makes it equal. Exactly, but the problem is that many women actually believe they are entitled. Many will go to the extremes of rejecting a man just because he won't pay for her scamming ass. I thought by year 2010, humans would have evolved more by now to get past this type of rubbish LadyPact titleAndStar(11687,0,0,false,"",""[[[Because buying coffee for a date is just sooooo unreasonable. Because buying YOUR OWN coffee on a date is just soooo unreasobable [:D]

CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 4:49:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: diamonddiego Sheer greed and an over inflated sense of enttitlement come to mind when you start talking with women who claim to be a Mistress. It is easy to associate the demand for money with the self-given title they have. Combine that with greed and a sense of entitlement and you finally have someone with no scruples or morals who most likely is having financial difficulties if they have to leach off of you or someone else. But when it comes to women in general, I have come to expect no less from them. Translated: I can't get laid so I am really pissed off at all women right now. Good luck with that[8\|] [sm=rofl.gif] diamonddiego, this is so funny to read this...as I have just gone through 460 Trak phone minutes talking to one person...this week. Each one of these cards comes at 200 minutes for $39.99. My minutes are all gone, and I'm off to buy another card or two that I will try to stretch out for a week or two longer, until after several meetups when I'll be willing to give him my home phone (listed landline) number. He doesn't know how expensive he's been and I'm not planning on whining to him about it. Bottom line, either someone is worth it to you or they're not. Normally I never feel the need to talk with someone on the phone for hours on end...I skipped that stage when I was a teenager and young adult, so it's funny to be going through it now. Also, I have to admit to being...prejudiced. If a man is socially too far above me then I'm not interested. When someone starts talking about opera and brunches and yahts, I run for the hills. I don't like to leave my comfort zone, so the man will have to lose his tux and wear jeans or something casual around me. I also detest the taste of lobster and caviar...and yes, I bought those for myself. A picnic at a park can be lovely...and one of the best dates I've ever had...was one where we spent the day hiking. Each person is different, maybe something in your approach is...bringing out the worst in people. Examine yourself carefully and make changes. .................................................................................................... I don't plan to sign up for a cell phone, as this will cost me under $200 and a cell phone would cost a good $600+ for a year. Make it or break it, I won't need to do this for much longer. Also, my computer is such an old, crippled monster that there's no way to do voice chat or Skype. .................................................................................................... AQSM, this is not an attack on you as a person...but your whole attitude on dating makes me want to hurl. quote: Actually I see his point, I am women Hear me Roar only matters when it's not applied to who is paying the check. I like Independent women, I really do, it does bug me that they have a double standard when it comes to being independent in a relationship. I cannot believe many women have spoke about how independent they need to be and yet are completely okay with having a me pay for things. Especially expensive things. For me, dating isn't about bartering for sex or trying to get someone as a long term friendly fuckbuddy...but a test of manners and heart. Courtship helps a man to decide if she's worth...providing for. It doesn't matter if he may never have to. Some of us are looking for people with enough balls to step up to bat and...hold our hair while we vomit into a toilet and be willing to clean up the mess if we miss. Life isn't just champagne and roses. With an attitude like yours, I don't know how you will attract a woman who... (these are from real people I know) 1) do everything for you if you fall down the basement stairs and shatter both hands...and can't even feed yourself, put on clothing, wipe yer own arse, blow your nose, or even shake off your winkie after peeing...tuck it in...and zip back up. For over 2 months. 2) steps up to bat and works two full time jobs for a year while you stay at home unemployed, 3) carefully attends to all body care, including feeding you through a tube to your stomach...while you're in a coma and at home...and works so hard that her body breaks down from exhaustion and she has to be hospitalized herself for a while. If you are unwilling to sacrifice for her for small things like the occasional night out...how can she feel you would be worth making any sacrifice over? If you are only in this for sex, then of course there's a problem. See...if a man is VERY GOOD IN BED and uber sexy looking, he can become a gigolo...and then the ladies are the ones who pay the bill for restaurants and such. If you don't like the role you play in life already, then change it. Learn some skills...

LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 5:21:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtynick81 LadyCimarron My point is that when it comes to money, women demand equality in areas where they may be disadvantaged. But then expect men to shut up about equality in the areas where they want to be advantaged. That's what I define as 'hypocrisy" It only seems "unfair" when women are getting the short end of the stick. Lets see....Mister buys me a fucking happy meal so my boss needs to cut my salary??? I THINK NOT! If you don't want to pay for a date then you should not pay for one. I would assume that most women would not want you to pay for a date if you felt you were being disadvantaged by doing so. But what my job pays me has nothing to do with personal relationships. Who is"they"? Who are these people? Does this mean most or all men? The US Department of Labor even verifies that the belief of discrimination against women in the workforce is a crock of poop. http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf I was quoting my statement using the same generalized terminology you used in yours when you referenced women. Who were you referring to when you said "women" ALL women?? AND OF COURSE THERE IS NO WIDESPREAD DISCRIMINATION NOW. Its been fought for and won, its basically illegal to do it in most professions, today. But it was YOU and not ME that first brought up the whole thing about women wanting equal pay. Exactly, but the problem is that many women actually believe they are entitled. Many will go to the extremes of rejecting a man just because he won't pay for her scamming ass. I thought by year 2010, humans would have evolved more by now to get past this type of rubbish Then don't date those women. I am very sorry if you keep running across gold diggers, but don't try to link it to what women rightfully work for and earn. I repeat WHAT MY JOB PAYS ME HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I DATE. If you want to talk about gold diggers, then talk about gold diggers. But if someone told you they were going to pay you less because your girlfriend pays for dates, you would think they were crazy. If you are doing the same work as the person next to you, you should be on the same pay scale and who your fucking and who's paying for it does not have SHIT to do with your job. Because buying YOUR OWN coffee on a date is just soooo unreasobable [:D] BTW- if I ask a man out to coffee or dinner or whatever I PAY FOR IT. But if HE askes ME out HE needs to pay for it, AND if you feel that strongly about , man, start your own men's movement. Refuse to pay for ALL dates. make the women pay for them. Stand up for yourself and refuse to live under the oppression.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:21:49 PM)
LadyCimarron You seem to have problems comprehending me. You are blowing my meaning out of context here. My whole point is indicating two different scenarios. It's about wanting equality in areas when women are disadvantaged but then not wanting equality in other areas when it gives women privilege. I am by no means trying to combine the two "different" scenarios to one. I am just simply pointing out the whole concept of "equality". I am sorry if it's too difficult for you to figure. No, not all women expect men to pay for everything. But it's certainly not hard to find a woman who does. They are everywhere in this scene. Did I ever say that I date these women? I didn't come down in the last shower. Of course I refuse to date such women. Simply, the complaint is based on the women who do play it this way. Not on the women whom I choose to date.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:23:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia AQSM, this is not an attack on you as a person...but your whole attitude on dating makes me want to hurl. quote: Actually I see his point, I am women Hear me Roar only matters when it's not applied to who is paying the check. I like Independent women, I really do, it does bug me that they have a double standard when it comes to being independent in a relationship. I cannot believe many women have spoke about how independent they need to be and yet are completely okay with having a me pay for things. Especially expensive things. For me, dating isn't about bartering for sex or trying to get someone as a long term friendly fuckbuddy...but a test of manners and heart. Courtship helps a man to decide if she's worth...providing for. It doesn't matter if he may never have to. Some of us are looking for people with enough balls to step up to bat and...hold our hair while we vomit into a toilet and be willing to clean up the mess if we miss. Life isn't just champagne and roses. With an attitude like yours, I don't know how you will attract a woman who... (these are from real people I know) 1) do everything for you if you fall down the basement stairs and shatter both hands...and can't even feed yourself, put on clothing, wipe yer own arse, blow your nose, or even shake off your winkie after peeing...tuck it in...and zip back up. For over 2 months. 2) steps up to bat and works two full time jobs for a year while you stay at home unemployed, 3) carefully attends to all body care, including feeding you through a tube to your stomach...while you're in a coma and at home...and works so hard that her body breaks down from exhaustion and she has to be hospitalized herself for a while. If you are unwilling to sacrifice for her for small things like the occasional night out...how can she feel you would be worth making any sacrifice over? If you are only in this for sex, then of course there's a problem. See...if a man is VERY GOOD IN BED and uber sexy looking, he can become a gigolo...and then the ladies are the ones who pay the bill for restaurants and such. If you don't like the role you play in life already, then change it. Learn some skills... And yet I'm Married, to someone who would do all the above. What is sad is if all you got out of all I said was that I think Money is the important factor and that is all that matters then you must have sand in your eyes. I perfer to pay for things, I always have, I like doing so, what I don't like and won't tolerate is someone who thinks it is my JOB to pay. Cause I have yet to meet a woman period who is so amazing that simply being near her demands me spending money on her. I do what I do because I choose to, but the second someone says "You're the Man so you're supposed to Pay" I tend to think they weren't a hooker when we met how come they are acting like one now? And for the record we are not talking about a Single cup of coffee, it is not a $7 dollar price tag, it's every meal ever had up to and then usually after a commitment has been made. In fact MOST (and Yes I think that is an accurate assessment) women have just about every meal paid for, for them, until cohabitation occurs, and even then cohabitation does not always mean a combined bank account. That being said it isn't $7 it is closer to $7000 by the time women start being responsible for any financial matters in a relationship. So lets just cut the BULLSHIT here cause it's getting fucking deep. Be Honest Women are RARELY if EVER responsible for an EQUAL share of anything Financial in a relationship until Cohabitation begins. Are there exceptions? Sure, but they usually prove the rule, of the women I have met who do Pay do so only because they want to make it clear that NOTHING should be expected of them period that they are not indebted in anyway for having money spent on them. This Exception proves the rule. Women know they get the financial easy street when it comes to dating. I woul dlike anyone to show me how financially women don't? Cause that guy who does demand that everything be EQUAL, how much of a shot does he actually have in a relationship when it is considered No big deal and something that a Gentleman is SUPPOSED to do. Women know this and if you deny it you are full of shit and you know it. Do I have a problem with this? Yeah, but it's the way things are. I would not be married and have my son and the Norman Rockwell Family if I didn't shell out the $7000 in dating and courting costs. It is just a fact of the real nature of women and men. For as Independant as most women claim to be, I don't see them want that independence when it comes to the financial part of dating. QSM

LadyPact -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 6:50:19 PM)
Well, I tend to make this fairly simple. In most instances, I meet people at BDSM events. Each person pays their own door entry. If I meet somewhere else, I go with the expectation to pick up the tab. However, I expect the person with Me to offer to a) Pick up his share of the bill (even if I won't let him). b) Be willing to leave the tip (yes, I watch to see how much he leaves). c) Offer the next meeting to be on him (same applies, I'll leave a generous tip). This is an excellent way to determine if I'm dealing with a cheapskate or not. Oh, and for the record, I don't drink coffee and I don't "date". Topics like this make Me tend to feel for those on this site who do date and have the attitude that they can't put a crowbar in their wallet.

PeonForHer -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:07:43 PM)
FR, May I gently enquire: Why is it that Americans always argue about money so much? They are by far the richest people on the planet. Also, they're the most obese. So, perhaps they could pay a little more on dates, and save the money by, say, eating a little less at other times? Just a thought. Please excuse the interruption.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:12:38 PM)
LP, it has nothing to do with my wallet. I pay, because it is the expected paradigm. The above that you presented is NOT THE NORMAL NOMENCLATURE! You have to know that you expecting to pay is not the par for the course. Okay so you don't date, not everyone has that luxury. I also know MANY people who are into BDSM who still COURT each other and in such a situation one gets to set the standard for these kinds of relationships. So lets play a game. If a submissive (Female) posted on this site that she just started dating a Dom (Male) who set a requirement that they (the sub) would be responsible financially for all thier initial dates until she decided to co-habitate at which time until bank accounts were combined all restraunt visits will still be covered out of subs said bank account. And this sub wanted to know what other people thought about this how would you respond? Now reverse the situation and make it a Male sub and a Female Domme, Would your advice be the same? Come on, you can't pretend that there is not a gendercentric paradigm on the financial aspects of dating. Males are USUALLY expected to PAY. Thems just the facts and what sucks is that no one sees this as a lack of equality. I think it DEFINES the inequality of the sexes. LP, you are a strong female personality type, but let me ask you how many meals your husband paid for during your mating period? This may be a futile question considering both of your military backgrounds but I'll take a shot. I just don't think he would sit back and let you pay for all the meals and I don't know how you reacted to when he did but I would like to know..... Again I still see you as the exception that proves the rule because of how out of sorts it seems the way you describe your prefered mathods on dating. I agree with you on the whole idea that if going to a convention that everyone pay thier own way, unless you get a better rate for buying as a whole and then unless they are there as a personal assistant of sorts I would expect reinbursement. QSM

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:15:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR, May I gently enquire: Why is it that Americans always argue about money so much? They are by far the richest people on the planet. Also, they're the most obese. So, perhaps they could pay a little more on dates, and save the money by, say, eating a little less at other times? Just a thought. Please excuse the interruption. WOW. I mean just WOW. Attack an entire country with such a broad stroke? Really? Are you really that fucking ignorant? I can assure you I am not rich, I will agree that I am obese but I didn't get this way dating. Fighting over Money is not something that is an American Concept. I mean WOW, I really don't know how to address this. I am just wondering how long you have been a bigot? QSM

PeonForHer -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:19:26 PM)
Quite right, AQSM - I was speaking out of turn. I had no idea that you were obese, either. My apologies for the bigotry.

Andalusite -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:22:42 PM)
naughtynick, I just don't see any connection between the two. There are laws about racism, sexism, discriminating based on religion, etc. for employment and tenants. Nobody is legally required to date someone who is a cheapskate, or who is of another ethnicity, or who has children to fill a quota or avoid discrimination lawsuits. ReginaMirus, I wouldn't date anyone who had an attitude like that, or who treated me like I was disposable. I'm not out to suck everything I can out of him.[;)] quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan I perfer to pay for things, I always have, I like doing so, what I don't like and won't tolerate is someone who thinks it is my JOB to pay. Cause I have yet to meet a woman period who is so amazing that simply being near her demands me spending money on her. I do what I do because I choose to, but the second someone says "You're the Man so you're supposed to Pay" I tend to think they weren't a hooker when we met how come they are acting like one now? Hookers charge a heckuvalot more than $5, you know, and I'm not going to have sex with someone just because he bought me something to eat or drink.[:'(] That attitude confirms that I would never want to date anyone with your point of view. quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan I don't mind paying in fact I usually fight for the check I like coveing things like that makes me feel good about me that I have in some way been responsible for feeding someone I like that. But to say that if I do not pay that I am not a Gentlemen presents me with the harsh view of you as being no where near being a lady. To base a mans nature on if he pays for your meal is certainly a knock for women everwhere. I don't consider him to be automatically not a gentleman if he doesn't pay, just like I don't think he's a horrible man if he doesn't hold the door for me, holding my hand (or having me take his arm) in large crowds, offering to carry something heavy for me, etc. I think of all of those things as gentlemanly activities, and opportunities for him to show that I matter to him, and he is interested in me. I always make sure I have money to cover my share if he doesn't offer to pay, and I don't ask him to do so. However, going Dutch makes it feel like a business lunch or a dinner with friends, rather than a date. I'd much prefer to take turns paying, than worry over splitting the tab down to the penny. I'd much prefer he take me out for coffee, or to a free day at the museum, or dancing for a $5 cover charge, or out to the beach, or to a cheap second run movie, or another inexpensive or free date, then split the bill at a fancy restaurant. I enjoy when he gets me little gifts, even if it's just a single rose from his garden or the 7-11 or a handful of wildflowers, or a single chocolate truffle, or a used copy of a book by my favorite author, and I like getting equivalent things for him. If he really begrudges spending any money on me, and is focused on that, then I'm probably not going to want to date him. Particularly if he were in a poly relationship, and did not formally split the bill each time with his wife or girlfriend, it would be a huge reminder of my second-class citizen status.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:34:51 PM)
Andalusite quote: naughtynick, I just don't see any connection between the two. There are laws about racism, sexism, discriminating based on religion, etc. for employment and tenants. Nobody is legally required to date someone who is a cheapskate, or who is of another ethnicity, or who has children to fill a quota or avoid discrimination lawsuits As I was expressing above, I never meant that there is a connection between the two. Sheesh, I can't believe how much out of context this has been taken. The whole point is the concept of equality, and in this case, the terms of money. In one area (a totally different area with no connection to dating) equal pay is demanded. Then another area (a totally different area with no connection to the workforce) it's okay to give one gender a privilege. If this does not make sense, there is seriously something wrong The REAL cheapskates are the ones who refuse to pay for their own meals, not the ones who have no problem paying for their own meal.

Andalusite -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:48:30 PM)
I consider anyone who is resentful of spending money on their partner to be a cheapskate, regardless of gender. It's about their attitude, not the dollar figure. You were the one who said that women should forgo market rate salaries if they want to date men who will pay for dinner.[:'(] At least you didn't bring up menstruation as an excuse, like AQSM did. There are a lot of inequalities when it comes to dating, some which generally benefit men, and some which generally benefit women. Do you also think that because women are more likely to be date raped than men are, that all men must be in chastity, in order to attempt to make things more equal on that front? Surely you wouldn't suggest that men be raped until the rates equalise, or until women pay the same amount for dinner as men do? That's just as absurd.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 7:58:28 PM)
quote: I consider anyone who is resentful of spending money on their partner to be a cheapskate ROFL women like you crack me up. What about the women who are resentful about paying for their self or their partner? Oh shit, that double standard should never be mentioned.[:D] quote: You were the one who said that women should forgo market rate salaries if they want to date men who will pay for dinner. No, I never said that at all. Please indicate where I exactly said this? It seems that you are creating a strawman out of my opinions to give yourself better ground. You seem to be refusing to see my logic based on the premise of some women only wanting equality when it suits them. Such as only wanting equality in this or that area (that has no connection to other areas) while thinking they have a right for privilege in other areas. But how dare a man mention that?

laurell3 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:01:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR, May I gently enquire: Why is it that Americans always argue about money so much? They are by far the richest people on the planet. Also, they're the most obese. So, perhaps they could pay a little more on dates, and save the money by, say, eating a little less at other times? Just a thought. Please excuse the interruption. Yeah but we have teeth.............come on peon you're above these ridiculous statements, so am I.

Lockit -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:17:11 PM)
Wow... some people live isolated lives! Some of you men have never met a woman who paid her way or your own? What fool am I then? I supported two men totally and they stayed at home and took care of me. Most others, we split everything. For two short periods of time, a man supported me while I did the rounded prego and new mommy thing. I've had men who paid for dates and I paid for dates. Not all women expect a hand out or to be equal in beneficial areas and not in others. Maybe some of you complainer's need to date different women. If all you can do is bitch about the women you have chosen, the problem isn't really with the women is it? My daughter is the same as I am. She is pregnant, works two jobs, raises two children currently and wouldn't seek a dime she didn't earn or expect better treatment than she gave or earned. If you focus on the bad one's (your opinion), guess what? I don't like cheap people. I won't be one and I don't want one and if someone makes matter's about money, they won't even get to kiss my ass when I tell them to shove something up theirs. Get over it, move on... life has to have more meaning than bitterness. And if you want to keep that opinion of women... I wish you luck because no woman I know and respect would have you.

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:27:49 PM)
Lockit Not all women are money grabbing dinner whores. But you don't have to look far to find one, that's for sure. I don't choose these women. This seems to get thrown around a lot to reflect the blame from these women's actions back onto the men who are complaining. It's like women who complain about men only wanting sex. It doesn't mean that these women choose men who only want sex, it simply means that they are annoyed at the men who are this way. So the next woman who complains about men only wanting sex, it wouldn't work out well if a male responded like this... Get over it, move on... life has to have more meaning than bitterness. And if you want to keep that opinion of men... I wish you luck because no man I know and respect would have you. The moral of the story, men have a right to have their opinions to.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:29:02 PM)
Yes, you do indeed have the right to your opinions. As do we. You also have the right to sleep alone!! [;)]

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:33:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan I perfer to pay for things, I always have, I like doing so, what I don't like and won't tolerate is someone who thinks it is my JOB to pay. Cause I have yet to meet a woman period who is so amazing that simply being near her demands me spending money on her. I do what I do because I choose to, but the second someone says "You're the Man so you're supposed to Pay" I tend to think they weren't a hooker when we met how come they are acting like one now? Hookers charge a heckuvalot more than $5, you know, and I'm not going to have sex with someone just because he bought me something to eat or drink.[:'(] That attitude confirms that I would never want to date anyone with your point of view. And look lady, I'm not offering. You have got to be the most sexist person I have ever met, more so than the guys who think that paying for a meal means that sex is implied. You just implied that it's okay cause Hookers charge more so the $5.00 is okay. Then you go on to say that you aren;t going to screw somone just because he bought you somthing to eat or drink. So you just believe that men should pay for women period that's just what is right for you. This is your logic? You know what bothers me about this? you keep bringing it back to sex. I'm not talking about sex I'm talking about money. Women who cannot tell the difference are the ones who get to me. You get to me, because you cannot see that my issue is not with SEX, it's about EQUALITY. Something women want and yet stand by this old ideal that "Men Pay" period. If you aren't giving sex because you want to qualify that you aren't a whore by the nature that you do so means you think having a man pay for you obligates you to something. Your Logic is totally fucking cracked. Being a Gentleman is about treating a woman with RESPECT, it has nothing, I repeat NOTHING to do with who pays the bill. Opening a Door, Taking a Hand, walking them to a Door, all these things are things that go hand in hand with being a gentleman. Paying for them, Buying them things, spending money on them, these have nothing to do with being a gentleman and everything to do with trying to impress them. I want who I am to impress them, not what I buy them. Seriously being with someone like you would make me feel cheap. The real Cheapskate here is the one who determins the worth of a person on what they do and give to them. Think about it. QSM

naughtynick81 -> RE: Why Do So Many Mistresses Want Money First? (6/17/2010 8:34:40 PM)
LadyHibiscus Women like you don't give us the right to have our opinions because you threat us with rejection. Such as.. quote: You also have the right to sleep alone!! It seems that you believe women can act whatever unfair way they want and if men complain about it, they deserve to be alone. Time to stop being a bigot

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