SusanofO
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Re: Internal enslavement. I sort of equate that with feeling so absolutley enthralled by and dedicated to another person that you'd do 'anything' they asked.
I think it's a very appealing idea and can see why people would want to be mentally possessed. My feeling on whether it's possible is: It depends.
If you really can dominate their mind completely you can get them to do just about anything (except the obvious "no no's": Kill someone, violate hard limits, etc. You can inspire them to improve skills, teach new things whenever that might be desired or needed I'd guess.
I am taking for granted that the Owner would have the owned one's best interests at heart and never ask them to do anything they absolutely knew that person just could not do (because it would harm them for a long time and maybe do irrevocable damage)
Maybe most importantly I'd think would be - Try to Know what motivates the owned person to want to do their best. (I would take for grantedthe owned one would know this as well, she needs to know about for the Owner. If people don't know, I'd ask outright - or being a good guesser and observant works. I can't speak for all females (and I do think females submissives and subs might value different things than male subs as far as feeling they might help them to become 'internally enslaved' - if people want to feel that and believe it's possible.
Personally, from my own submissive perpective: Honest praise always gives me a warm fuzzy glow. I think incisive, deadpan wit works well (double-edged sarcastic sword there for sure but but it is funny to hear). There is never too much wrong in my eyes with good old-fashioned kindness. Listening. Doing something that's a fun surprise.One more thing for me to ponder.
To be able to make that judgment, I'd think the owner would have to be not only
1)Very dedicated to doing this, but also pretty 2)Intuitive about things that might go 'unspoken' yet be important to perhaps address (maybe that is why owned people keep journals their Masters read, etc.) I'd think they would need to be so intimately acquainted with how the owned one's thought process works they'd be able to guess the owned one's reactions to situations and requests-demands with a very, very high degree of accuracy.
It seems like a process that would require patience on both sides (part of dedication). I'd think both people would have to really really want to be able to "read eachother's minds" (especially the Master, but also the slave).
I don't equate this concept with loving someone (I've heard that debate before)- you can care about someone without being in love with someone (I get that), and 'you can be required to do things you dont always like' (I get that) - it's 'not always easy' (well no I imagine it's not)- 'you are simply following orders'.Okay.I understand the difference between simply having power over someone, being concerned for their welfare (caring) and being in love with them.
On the other hand, if you don't already care deeply about someone - why else would an owned or Owner do this? Maybe this is another area of inquiry where the answer depends on the two involved.
It implies a very high level of dedication (which some might interpret as "too much" work). On the other hand, if you're dealing with two very highly intuitive, understanding and motivated people who just "click" extremely well with eachother, it might be a lot easier than that. I'd think the true, examined desire to possess and be possesed (whatever that implies between two people) would be essential.
I know there are exceptions and people who meet and things "just work" right away and because they are committed to another, perhaps they make this easier for themselves and on eachother than others might. Everyone's different.
But -I'd imagine the owned would have to really, really really like, as well as really know, and feel inspired to serve the Owner - as well as feeling they 'need' their Owner (which isn't implying micro-management, or never getting annoyed with a request). To me it's a way of implying a very deep committment level to the service of another. To do it, maybe it could start out with one person wanting to be overpowered and one person wanting power, and it might be "semantics" but to me the process seems less possible if it's not seen by both as a process of caring that deepens or at least is ongoing. two people may not be "at the same level' as the other, operationally speaking, of caring all the time, but they'd have to be committed to the idea. And know what the other person's idea of implementing it meant.- Susan
< Message edited by SusanofO -- 4/12/2006 10:35:18 PM >
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RE: Male vs Female Dominants...is it just me? - 
you're really right thetammyjo. I hadn't thought of that. I do wonder how that decision was reached re: Gor getting its own forum, even though its obvious there are enough Goreans to have justified it (not my call anyway, but I was here before Gor fans had their very own forum (last year)and I do wonder about that decision making process; as in who makes it (one or a few people or a group - or what)? What are the the 'criteria' for deciding it's a justifiable change? I just pictured more and more members bringing it up over and over to the Mod(s) or other Admins. until some 'critical mass' was reached (I'm a Democrat at heart, though, he. I've never written a suggestion letter on this site).We're on General BDSM discussion - as good a place as any to discuss the concept of why people see things the way they do (although I haven't seen the "protocol police" out today, or any day, but I know they lurk - it's their job)
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