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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:43:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pshaw!  The result proves that she would have accomplished her goal if she hadn't hit a cell of really bad weather . From all accounts she was doing fine with the bad weather, it was the REALLY bad weather that scuppered her boat   -  and she was doing fine.
I'd be proud if it was my kid that had the gumption and intestinal fortitude to go out and do something so arduous.  I'd be scared to death for her, but wouldn't stop her.

The kid is obviously self-directed, and that is something to be encouraged.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:46:13 AM   
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So do adults, so do kids in OUR society at proms or just hanging out with friends with regard to drunk.  Many 17 year olds are murdered and disappear in our society.  And many of these kids were simply allowed to go out with friends or do something on their own etc.  Kids even YOUNGER than 17 are murdered, raped, etc etc in our own country.  If you are curious about this -- get a list of missing kids even in your own state.  Natalie Holloway was only news because her parents decided to make it news when she disappeared and they couldn't find out what happened to her.   There are Natalie Holloways all over our country whose parent simply allowed them to go out with friends or do something on their own.


sorry, my computer is screwy and deleted a whole portion of my post.    What you are speaking about is simply geography.
geography my Irish ass. What the hell does geography have to do with the fact that a girl was killed?

Why do you think children are so often victims? Because they lack the common sense that comes with life expierence.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:49:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Had she been ready she would have avoided those fierce waters...advance weather reports were readily available.

If she had to set off those alarms manually that's yet another example that she wasn't ready...plenty of automatic alarms available.

She responded calmly when voice contact was established? Whoop de doo!

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:50:10 AM   
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Pshaw!  The result proves that she would have accomplished her goal if she hadn't hit a cell of really bad weather . From all accounts she was doing fine with the bad weather, it was the REALLY bad weather that scuppered her boat   -  and she was doing fine.
I'd be proud if it was my kid that had the gumption and intestinal fortitude to go out and do something so arduous.  I'd be scared to death for her, but wouldn't stop her.

The kid is obviously self-directed, and that is something to be encouraged.

yeah...she self directed herself into an area that was in its storm season.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:05:11 AM   
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At what age is a child old enough to assume responsibility?  18?  21? 25? Kids mature at different rates.
obviously this kid was not ready to assume responsibility for her safety, as she knowingly sailed directly into an area in the middle of its storm season.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:20:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		At what age does one denote responsibility. I'm one of those parents who didn't see a problem with it. As someone else mentioned her brother did it at 17. They apparently felt she was responsible enough. We think our kids are responsible enough to drive at 16. We see more deaths on the road than at sea. I'm sure she's not the first 16 year old to go out on the ocean alone.

I have let my daughter do all kinds of things alone when she was younger. She's still alive. She was 16 when she went to Turkey and Greece albeit there were chaperones, they did have free time where they were allowed to be wandering the streets alone and they were allowed to do whatever they wanted late at night when they weren't on the ship which was quite often. They were even allowed to drink if we signed a waiver and they were 18. I wasn't on the trip. I had to trust that she was responsible and mature for her age.

I've let her go to nightclubs to see concerts with her friends when she was 15. Again I wasn't there. I had to trust that she was a smart girl which she is.

There are some much older adults who I wouldn't trust one tiny bit but yet there are young people who I would trust with my life.

Not everyone matures at the same rate.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:28:59 AM   
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Could you provide a link, I for one have no idea what you are talking about.

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That is great news. I am so glad they found her and she was safe.


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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:32:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah the what ifs for many are what maintains the fear in people where because of same kids never see beyond the what ifs pertaining to the negative to the what ifs that pertain to the positive. THAT to me is the problem wth many parents to day.  They are soo paralized of the what ifs they fail to see the positive of what they could TEACH their child by allowing them to try to achieve the POSITIVE what ifs.

So the girl had to be rescued, she made it from CA to the coast of fucking Indian Ocean.  I say maybe she didn't make her goal but damn she knows she is able to sail ON HER OWN from CA to the Indian Ocean.  How cool is that.  How many kids who have these types of dreams -- and many do in different contexts -- TRY to achieve same?

Its amazing me that people are STILL so worried about the negative what ifs they can't see how awesome this feat of hers was.  That is our society for you today.  They take something as amazing as this and make it all about the negative even though they know the worst didn't happen not even close.

Yeah its easier to say how irresponsible they were or how she wasn't ready lol i mean fuck she made it to the Indian Ocean.  Just out of curiosity just exactly what distance that she achieved would she have been considered READY?

Oh but bugger it, she should have just stayed her happy ass at home cowering behind the negative what ifs.  I for one am glad she didn't and i feel she did something amazing and she should be very proud of herself even if she didn't make the goal she was after.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:36:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't have let either of my two do what she did at 16 - but that is because they were no more ready for that sort of responsibility than fly to the moon , but obviously, this kids parents thought she could succeed.

Western civilisation has been infantilizing their children for longer and longer periods of time. If you look at Africa 16 year olds are prime marriage material with all the responsibilities that go with it. I certainly wouldn't advocate marriage at 15, but my point is that kids aren't childish at 16, they can accept responsibility and thrive under it. She certainly seems to have.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:39:44 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:41:39 AM   
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Katy is nice. I am not.
There is no way a child of 16 should be out there alone.


I agree with holly.

Now, I DO have admiration for the girl, she's obviously very gutsy. But she is still only 16.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:50:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		An Australian teen came home in May, from her solo non-stop, unassisted 'circumnavigation'. She was 16. In terms of actual miles, her trip was too short to be an official record.

Robin Lee Graham detailed his solo circumnavigation in the book Dove. His took nearly 5 years during which he got married.

Many people would be appalled at Tanya Aebi going off at all with very little sailing and navigation experience.
She navigated by sextant and a radio direction finder.
In addition to that her boat was never sea trialed before setting out and was plagued with factory defects only discovered after departure.
Her trip is described in the book Maiden Voyage and I recommend it highly.

Unlike Tanya Aebi, Abby Sunderland, spent much of her life on and around boats.
I don't know if this is a matter of parents who want to ride on their children's coattails... that doesn't seem to be the case as her brother Zac's route for his circumnavigation did not qualify from the beginning to be considered as an around the world voyage.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 7:55:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		a listing of young adults who have sailed solo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Martin

Jesse was the sailor of Lionheart.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 9:02:05 AM   
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I wouldn't have let either of my two do what she did at 16 - but that is because they were no more ready for that sort of responsibility than fly to the moon , but obviously, this kids parents thought she could succeed.


annnd they were wrong.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 9:20:45 AM   
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Its amazing me that people are STILL so worried about the negative what ifs they can't see how awesome this feat of hers was.  That is our society for you today.  They take something as amazing as this and make it all about the negative even though they know the worst didn't happen 
Yeah its easier to say how irresponsible they were or how she wasn't ready lol i mean fuck she made it to the Indian Ocean. 
yeah...!he made it to the Indian Ocean and damn near died there. I am not saying she should stay home hiding behind the negatives, Angel. Negatives are a personal outlook and a personal choice. The child headed into a storm area and her parents were well aware of it. That is poor judgement and irresponsibility. If she made that decision, it is obvious to me that she was not ready.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 9:22:53 AM   
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Western civilisation has been infantilizing their children for longer and longer periods of time.

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I absolutely agree.
I disagree. Our kids are growing up far to quickly.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 10:51:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think our kids are growing up too fast - i do think they are learning about sex too early.
But taking responsibility for themselves?  - nope, not happening. They don't have motivation, to get out and do something, anything. They seem very apathetic to me, and its nice to hear of someone - a kid - getting out and doing something.  Anything!

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 11:49:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since I am the OP, I would like to make some comments in general.  Regarding society mixing in to tell people how to parent, it we do so all the time.  In fact, that is how child abuse prevention laws came into existance.  Prior to the early 70's, you could beat the hell out of your kid and no one interferered with your "parenting".

Regarding society "infantilizing" kids, I see that more with society doing this with women.  I dont think society infantilizes kids, it sexualizes them.  I would not allow a   16 year old to, for example, drive cross country - alone - no matter how good a driver she was.  How good a sailor this young woman was is not the issue.  The issue is emotional maturity, the ability to handle ones self ALONE, out on the ocean, where there is no cell phone reception and no one to assist in a difficult spot.  And she did get into  a difficult spot, didnt she?

I dont blame her.  I think the parents have a few screws loose.  There is of course such a thing as letting go and allowing your children to pursue their dreams - and then there is poor judgment.  The parents exercised poor judgment.  It could have been a disaster.    

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 11:58:46 AM   
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Its amazing me that people are STILL so worried about the negative what ifs they can't see how awesome this feat of hers was.  That is our society for you today.  They take something as amazing as this and make it all about the negative even though they know the worst didn't happen 
Yeah its easier to say how irresponsible they were or how she wasn't ready lol i mean fuck she made it to the Indian Ocean. 
yeah...!he made it to the Indian Ocean and damn near died there. I am not saying she should stay home hiding behind the negatives, Angel. Negatives are a personal outlook and a personal choice. The child headed into a storm area and her parents were well aware of it. That is poor judgement and irresponsibility. If she made that decision, it is obvious to me that she was not ready.


I am hoping that by my stating the obvious, no one is going to feel patronised because that is not my intent.

It was inevitable that she would have hit a storm area sooner or later and I don't know if this was her first storm area or not.
However, the timing of her trip has caused some controversy.

I truly have mixed feeling about this. My oldest niece is around the same age and last year her parents allowed her to go off on vacation just with older friends, with no adult supervision for a week. (She was 15 then.) This year, for the 3rd year in a row she is going to some all day rock concert this summer. I get anxious over those types of things.

Abby had a lot of sailing experience; was outfitted with the most up to date equipment.
Abby's route was more difficult and not as warm as that of her brother's. It was originally designed to be non-stop (as a safety measure to keep her both away from pirates as well as the dangers of being unescorted in ports).

Her accomplishments should be noted: she rounded Cape Horn on March 31, 2010 making her the youngest solo sailor to date to do that and this past Monday after being on her boat for 4 1/2 months (with a stop at Cape Town from 5/5-5/21 for repair of her autopilot) she had completed 13,300 miles.


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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 12:00:32 PM   
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Why do you think children are so often victims? Because they lack the common sense that comes with life expierence.


Yeah! We all know there's all kinds of charming serial killing Europeans roaming the Indian Ocean just looking for innocent 16 year old girls

My hat's off to the young lass, and her parents. They aren't your typical fear mongering over protective parents, that's for sure.

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