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Plasticine -> The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:10:23 AM)

Hello.

I was hoping to get some opinions from experienced Doms on an issue that I take very seriously.  I am not going to explain how to control someone's mind, nor should anyone else.  Those who understand will know how it is done.  It is also how sicko predators do their business, so we must let that information lie where it does.

People submit to me too easily.  I mean too easily for their own good.  That was true in my vanilla life, but I had no idea.  Now that I realize what I am and can wield it on purpose I am able to take the willing into trance almost by accident.  I am extremely honest. I understand Mind Control and I understand my responsibility as a Dom.  When I am dominating I can feel the wave the sub is on and I understand that I am in control of the empathy we share in that space, I also understand that this is a HUGE responsibility.  I do not want to brainwash anyone, I am a protector not a predator.  Due to my personality and skill set I am inside people's heads before I even know it, even in casual conversation.

I can't not be this way. I am a Dom.  How far is too far?  Are there steps that one can take to deliberately prevent induction?  How do I be certain that my moral compass will not be skewed by my sadism?

Thank you.



Lockit -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:24:31 AM)

Oh great... an out of control mind controller. If you do it by accident, you do it too easily for their own good and you are in their heads before you even know it... I wouldn't consider you a protector.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:26:20 AM)

I think the fact that I am asking these questions, and care about the answers actually does make me a protector.  But thank you all the same.



Lockit -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:29:02 AM)

Maybe you should consider working with the CIA.



crazyml -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:33:01 AM)

I for one am tickled pink that you've raised this issue.

I have a feeling I'm going to really enjoy this thread!

[edited to add:]

out of interest, I presume that discussions about kryptonite are o/t?



leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:33:22 AM)

You know, I never get tired of pointing out that "mind control", "brain washing" and all words related to them were debunked a LONG time ago by both the APA and ASA. Such things were tossed out of the courts as legal grounds a long time ago too. So both legally and medically it doesn't exist. I particularly like the little quote regarding Singer's reasoning... so flawed that it was "almost ridiculous".

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of our reality now, shall we?

Although, now I see that the OP doesn't practice mind control. He practices Mind Control. I'm presuming the capitalization there relates to his superior domliness which makes the whole thing work.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:35:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

You know, I never get tired of pointing out that "mind control", "brain washing" and all words related to them were debunked a LONG time ago by both the APA and ASA. Such things were tossed out of the courts as legal grounds a long time ago too. So both legally and medically it doesn't exist. I particularly like the little quote regarding Singer's reasoning... so flawed that it was "almost ridiculous".

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of our reality now, shall we?

Although, now I see that the OP doesn't practice mind control. He practices Mind Control. I'm presuming the capitalization there relates to his superior domliness which makes the whole thing work.


I am as James Randiian as the next skeptic.  Its a parlour trick, I know.  But the sub doesn't.



Lockit -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:38:03 AM)

ROFL... dude you haven't met the submissive's around here! They would eat you.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:39:17 AM)

I don't see what mocking me has to do with the very serious questions I am asking.



leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:39:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Plasticine
I am as James Randiian as the next skeptic.  Its a parlour trick, I know.  But the sub doesn't.
Well then, I'm out of my depth here. I honestly live my real life in the real world. Parlour tricks have little interest to me. I'm not even sure I understand the question anymore but like crazyml I fully expect I'm going to enjoy reading this thread.



DesFIP -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:40:01 AM)

I'm going to be kind and assume what the op means, but isn't expressing clearly enough is that when he puts out dominant energy, he gets responded to in a submissive manner by submissive people.

Since even if they say, "Yes Sir, coming tight up with your coffee" doesn't mean they won't say fuck off if you instead say "Strip, right here in Starbucks" you don't have anything to worry about.

If instead what you're really asking is what do you do if you negotiate a play session and she appears amenable to doing a lot more during than she agreed to before - you stay within the bounds of what you agreed to and talk about it the next day and would she like to go farther next time? But if you can't control yourself to keep your word, then you shouldn't be playing with anyone.

Now if you would care to be a lot clearer, you might get a lot more practical help. Give us a for instance.



crazyml -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:42:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

I particularly like the little quote regarding Singer's reasoning... so flawed that it was "almost ridiculous".



Hey Jeff,

As is often the case I'm agreeing with you vigorously.

Could you point me to this quote? (genuine question - not snarky)



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:45:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I'm going to be kind and assume what the op means, but isn't expressing clearly enough is that when he puts out dominant energy, he gets responded to in a submissive manner by submissive people.

Since even if they say, "Yes Sir, coming tight up with your coffee" doesn't mean they won't say fuck off if you instead say "Strip, right here in Starbucks" you don't have anything to worry about.

If instead what you're really asking is what do you do if you negotiate a play session and she appears amenable to doing a lot more during than she agreed to before - you stay within the bounds of what you agreed to and talk about it the next day and would she like to go farther next time? But if you can't control yourself to keep your word, then you shouldn't be playing with anyone.

Now if you would care to be a lot clearer, you might get a lot more practical help. Give us a for instance.



Good.  Thank You.

Yes your assumption is correct, and a worthwhile addition.  When I project the highly suggestible are strongly affected.

I'm not talking about pushing anyone's physical or sexual limits.  I am wondering about their emotional limits.  I am in no way talking about Domination in a fetish sense.

EDIT: If you need a more clear example, examine my language-ing in this very thread.



AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:52:07 AM)

I am good at this as well.

When I go to Burger King I always get it my way.

The Girl at Starbucks always smiles when she give me my Mocha Breve with Caramel

The waitress always brings the check when I am ready to leave.

I never have to ask for my change at convenience stores, they give it to me.

My wife follows me no matter where I am going and even though she asks me where I am going I have such control of her mind that she follows me anyway.

It can be a danger, I feel you pain man.

QSM



lally2 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:54:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
what do you do if you negotiate a play session and she appears amenable to doing a lot more during than she agreed to before - you stay within the bounds of what you agreed to and talk about it the next day and would she like to go farther next time? .
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this here is how you stay on the map [:)] - oh and welcome to the boards.

in the end its all about consent - there are times of course when its within the remit of a situation for the Dominant to take things a little further, push for a little bit more and well, basically dominate the situation - which is hot - for myself, when im in a relationship i do not put any boundaries in place at all, neither do i have a safe word, but safe words are a good way to go if youre unsure whether youre control over the sub and youre sadism might potentially go too far.

with regard to youre personality then i would imagine that its all about asking youreself what you want from any one particular sub, if what you want isnt what she wants then you shouldnt go there.



leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:55:50 AM)

OK, I spent some time looking for original text and was unable to find it. I hate quoting wikipedia but in this case, the articles there seem to give a solid overview of the whole thing which is supported by and aligned with the stuff I found on various professional sites.

Take a look at the wikipedia articles on "Margaret Singer" and "Mind Control". Google is also your friend. Try searching for the two words DIMPAC and BSERP. By the way, i tired adding "Kryptonite" into the search but it wasn't especially helpful in understanding the topic.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:55:51 AM)

quote:

I am good at this as well.

When I go to Burger King I always get it my way.

The Girl at Starbucks always smiles when she give me my Mocha Breve with Caramel

The waitress always brings the check when I am ready to leave.

I never have to ask for my change at convenience stores, they give it to me.

My wife follows me no matter where I am going and even though she asks me where I am going I have such control of her mind that she follows me anyway.

It can be a danger, I feel you pain man.

QSM



That one is actually funny. ;)



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 11:57:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

OK, I spent some time looking for original text and was unable to find it. I hate quoting wikipedia but in this case, the articles there seem to give a solid overview of the whole thing which is supported by and aligned with the stuff I found on various professional sites.

Take a look at the wikipedia articles on "Margaret Singer" and "Mind Control". Google is also your friend. Try searching for the two words DIMPAC and BSERP. By the way, i tired adding "Kryptonite" into the search but it wasn't especially helpful in understanding the topic.


You are looking for the wrong information.  For very good reasons, I am not going to give a free internet lesson in manipulation and coercion.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 12:01:40 PM)

quote:

in the end its all about consent - there are times of course when its within the remit of a situation for the Dominant to take things a little further, push for a little bit more and well, basically dominate the situation - which is hot - for myself, when im in a relationship i do not put any boundaries in place at all, neither do i have a safe word, but safe words are a good way to go if youre unsure whether youre control over the sub and youre sadism might potentially go too far.

with regard to youre personality then i would imagine that its all about asking youreself what you want from any one particular sub, if what you want isnt what she wants then you shouldnt go there.


Thank you.  This is what I feel to be true, but it is very tricky when someone submits where you aren't expecting them to.  That's what really scares me actually are those moments.



leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 12:04:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Plasticine
Yes your assumption is correct, and a worthwhile addition.  When I project the highly suggestible are strongly affected.
OK, so which is it? Parlour trick or actual domination?

If you're still talking parlour tricks, then I have no comment. If you're talking actual domination, then the answer is a lot more complicated. The only answer I ever came up with to this question is that I cannot NOT influence those around me strongly. Therefor, I must be careful to do so in ways which are positive and beneficial.

Put differently, I have a very strong ability to see that if I respond in this way, then that will happen. Because I frequently see interactions in this way, I cannot not manipulate a situation. If you have the knowledge that pressing a given button will result in X, then whether you press it or not, you are making a choice. I learned somewhere about the age of 25 that while I will always be influential/manipulative/whatever, the choices I make define who I am as a human being. I started making much wiser choices.

Now, clearly, when you put someone like me around someone like Carol who is highly malleable and trusts me a great deal... that pretty much means I have the keys to the kingdom. I manipulate and mold her shamelessly in ways that have, in the past, horrified friends and acquaintances. The reason I am shameless about it is that the choices I am making are not ones I am ashamed of. What more is there?

edited to add
And for me, it is not nor has it ever been about "consent". Both with Carol and in the world at large I do such things without asking permission. I don't have a "consent fetish" like the rest of the BDSM world. I focus on "being good".



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