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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

i hate seeing people ganged up on. i don't care if He is full of shit. "Mind Control" may have been the wrong words to use, but i believe that every poster deserves to have their ideas taken seriously, and to be answered in an adult way instead of being personally attacked. Just my opinion, i know, but i hate it when these threads deteriorate into name calling and petty bickering.

pam

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

That sounds more like a bdsm-ism than my actual fact. One doesn't "easily dismiss" people who are highly influential and charismatic. Nor do I need any particular "internal pull". I'm struggling to figure out if what I'm talking about and what plasticine is talking about are the same thing or not... but to hear him tell the story, it sounds about like the questions I struggled with at the age of 25. If he's talking about the same things that I am, then consent is not required, nor is willingness or any particular internal pull. As you correctly said, In fact, the most adept are pulling your strings without your knowledge. Consciously of course. although again, I might quibble with the "pulling your strings" metaphor.

I think at this point though, I'm bailing out of this thread. I just can't see how honest discussions of this topic are not going to be horribly misconstrued by this audience.

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

You cannot "hypnotise" the unwilling, there is no question.  This stuff doesn't work on me either.  This isn't a contest though.  I am relating my own experiences.  Not asking whether some random person who has never met me thinks they would submit.  That's not very useful information really. Thank You.

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine


Good.  Thank You.

Yes your assumption is correct, and a worthwhile addition.  When I project the highly suggestible are strongly affected.

That's their problem to learn healthy boundaries, not yours. It's your problem to be an ethical and moral human being who can face himself in the morning by not doing things you would be ashamed of. If you can't not do those things, then you're a sociopath and I recommend therapy to deal with childhood abuse.

I'm not talking about pushing anyone's physical or sexual limits.  I am wondering about their emotional limits.  I am in no way talking about Domination in a fetish sense.

EDIT: If you need a more clear example, examine my language-ing in this very thread.

Your language is not a concrete example. A concrete example would be you saying what you said or did to someone and what their response was. You're talking in such generalizations that we have to guess at what you mean. Don't do that, it's rude.

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

{fast reply}

Greetings all....

I do have to step into this one. It hits solidly on what I have been researching. First of all, yes, conditioning and brainwashing can be done. Jeff....your sources are 20 years out of date. A lot has been learned since then. No, it is not everything going on here with what the OP says he can do. Yes, what he claims is within the limits of what I see as possible given a rather unusual set of combined abilities. It could also be someone trying to subtly advertise themselves to subs looking to be controlled through hypnosis or other mind control activities.

Neurolinguistic programming and other similar concepts work mostly on the semiotic and psychological levels of communication. When combined knowingly with a good does of empathy and the understanding of how people behave and interact with each other plus human motivations you can do some very interesting and amazing things. No, it is not hypnosis and yes, it is getting past the conscious mind and working directly with the subconscious. Yes, this can be taught and learned. There is also a neurobiological component to long term mental changes. I can tell you the neurobiological mechanism by which this occurs and good luck in trying to make it happen.

We we talk about submission and enslavement we are talking about changing someone's way of thinking. That comes down to brainwashing in the crudest form. It is done through both mental and physical activities and works best in a consensual situation. Self hypnosis can also be a factor in consensual submission even if it is not recognized as such as it is occurring.

I will grant that the old ideas about subliminal advertising did not really work very well, if at all. However, meme repetition and prioritization does work, it just takes a while. What it comes down to is that given enough time and the correctly targeted appropriate stimuli you can be changed with or without your consent. It is just so much easier with consent. Yes, some people are changed easier than others and depending on the person, it is easier to change them in certain directions than others.

Be well all.....

Malkinius

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Your language is not a concrete example. A concrete example would be you saying what you said or did to someone and what their response was. You're talking in such generalizations that we have to guess at what you mean. Don't do that, it's rude.

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You're talking about getting someone to submit to you in casual conversation. What did you have her/him do? Wherein comes the emotional harm in what she/he said?

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Umm.... I dont think it is the mind you are controlling. DAMN baby, you are hot! I almost felt the urge to go belly up just on the picture.