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blueeyedbbwsub -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:23:22 PM)

You will then think me an even more unpleasant poster.....

Because you come across as a Dominant who thinks he's all that and a bag of chips. Be prepared not to be thin-skinned on the boards. You'll get the good, the bad and the ugly. I'ts a web forum where everyone and anyone can and do give their opinion whether it's in agreement with yours or not. Get used to it.

O, and welcome.

'Nuff said. [8|]



marie2 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:24:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

Unfortunately as you probably know, past a certain point the competition gets thin.




That it does.



leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:30:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine
You make some good points.  I love it when I meet resistance; I want the sub to be as aware and wily as possible because I love the challenge.  Unfortunately as you probably know, past a certain point the competition gets thin.

Wow.. That is SOOO not me. To me, my life is not a game. Other people I meet are not opponents. When I meet resistance, I am concerned that perhaps I'm leading in inappropriate ways. Such resistance causes me to want to check my work and review my goals & objectives. At best, I get concerned because now I'm going to need to invest more effort than I originally anticipated to get where I was going. For me, this is not about the thrill of some hunt. It's about helping goodness to happen to the best of my ability to discern that and make it so.

If you "love the challenge", I strongly suggest you find more worthy challenges -- there's always plenty of significant challenges to be had in the real world where the results matter more than "OOOoh, I got to flog this girl's bottom". I find "the challenge" to be worth it when there is either lives on the line or more than about 10 million dollars at stake.



UniqueRaven -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:33:03 PM)

i don't have a whole lot to add on the process of "mind control", but i did want to say one thing...

Both your post here, and your profile, express an amount of concern over you "not harming" someone - which reads to me like you may have done so in the past.

Personally i find it all a bit skeevy - and i don't think your intent is to be so. But generally when a man conveys a fear of being out of control - it is because he can be. And i wouldn't be able to "go there" with him - no matter how much "mind control" he exerted over me. i would choose to not even be in the same room with him, just to avoid any possibility of such.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:36:04 PM)

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When I meet resistance, I am concerned that perhaps I'm leading in inappropriate ways. Such resistance causes me to want to check my work and review my goals & objectives.


Different type of resistance.  I know what you mean and I agree. 

I'm just talking about playful intellectual resistance.  The "I see your manipulation and I raise you" kind.  But that gets very tiresome; its only fun in spurts.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:38:43 PM)

UniqueRaven-  Despite the apparent confidence you see in Dominant men, it is worthless without the gravitas of responsibility.

Ed: sry dblpst



UniqueRaven -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:44:45 PM)

i totally agree, but that wasn't what i was getting at in my post.

Your concern about being able to "mind control" women to the point where your "moral compass will be skewed by your sadism" tells me that you aren't in control of your sadism - and perhaps have already had an experience where someone got hurt, in a bad way. That's what i'm getting at.

A responsible sadist is always able to hold back his demon. And yes, i've seen a lot of irresponsible ones over the years - and absolutely refused to have anything to do with them.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:48:44 PM)

You are projecting on to me. I'm sorry.



Lockit -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:49:54 PM)

Plasticine, you may have a legitimate discussion you wish to have, but some of the things you are saying, you must take responsibility for. You have an insulting attitude about many submissive women in things you say. You are dismissive with them. You act as if you are better than they are. That isn't responsible to start with and I can see your concerns over hurting someone, because if people cared what you thought, they could be hurt.

You have the power to not hurt people susceptible to your powers by not using them.

How can you put this thread off to your trying to be so responsible when you have been so irresponsible in how you view most submissive women and yourself?





Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:51:53 PM)

You simply misunderstand. 

Ed: This was a useful discussion to the point, and I got benefit from it.  I thank the participants.  If anyone would like to ask me serious questions or offer understanding senior guidance I gratefully respond to mail.



UniqueRaven -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:52:24 PM)

Not projecting onto you, just trying to be helpful. If you're truly looking for what you say you are looking for, you may want to reconsider the words that you're using here, and in your profile.

i've never been hurt in a bad way by a sadist - and i have been with some very, very dark ones - because i know how to evaluate whether i would be safe with him, or not. So no projection - and good luck to you in your search.



Jeffff -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 1:58:22 PM)

I'm Jeffff, and I am an unpleasant poster.

So far, you have made a rather outlandish post, refused to define it yourself and then thanked others for helping you define it.

Are Jeff (leadership) and CrazyML doing your bidding by helping you?

Actual mind control does not exist. You may indeed have exceptional personal charisma, many folks do.

Your refusal to "share the secret" reads rather hollowly. Your OP reads like an advertisement for you superior DOM skills.




leadership527 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:04:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine
I'm just talking about playful intellectual resistance.  The "I see your manipulation and I raise you" kind.  But that gets very tiresome; its only fun in spurts.
*nods* I'm getting that. And at this point I'm pretty sure that I had misunderstood your post. Now I understand your reference to parlour tricks and it all makes a lot more sense.

I'm going to be the first to admit that I do not engage in any gamesmanship whatsoever in this sense... not with Carol and not with anyone else. The stakes are just too high. As an example, there is a reason Carol and I don't engage in "Mind fucks". Between us, if I were to "mind fuck" her, she'd be well and truly fucked and not in a pretty BDSM-ey sort of way. More like in a psychological scarring sort of way. I strongly suspect that given what's at stake between us, if she got even one whiff that I was playing some sort of zero sum game with her, she'd be horrified of me to the point of instant divorce.

Smart people do not play cowboys and Indians with real life guns & bows and arrows. So either you and I are talking about two totally separate things or else you truly are one scary person... and I don't mean "scary" in a "oooh, look an attractive bad boy" sort of way. I mean "scary" in a "rabid dog put him down" sort of way. Personally, I'm hoping it was the "two totally separate things" choice.

You'll note you've gotten the "rabid dog" response from the subs posting on this thread.



Glasgow -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:05:53 PM)

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I can't not be this way. I am a Dom.  How far is too far?  Are there steps that one can take to deliberately prevent induction?  How do I be certain that my moral compass will not be skewed by my sadism?


1. It's too far when you deliberately and knowingly go past someone's limits.
2. Understand that your charisma and manipulation skills sure as hell won't stand up in a court of law. "But your Honor! I know what she said, but I had her under mind control and I'm a sadist so I couldn't help it!" That might help.
3. Sadism is only okay when the person consents. Get their limits, don't go beyond, and as you confess that you can easily go beyond their limits, just... don't do it.

Also, I agree with everyone else. Calling yourself a master Mind Controller and then making a big fucking deal out of cheap tricks that can be looked up on Google makes you look like a big douche. A giant, massive douche.



Plasticine -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:20:33 PM)

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Smart people do not play cowboys and Indians with real life guns & bows and arrows. So either you and I are talking about two totally separate things or else you truly are one scary person... and I don't mean "scary" in a "oooh, look an attractive bad boy" sort of way. I mean "scary" in a "rabid dog put him down" sort of way. Personally, I'm hoping it was the "two totally separate things" choice.


You are completely correct.  You know what makes me not a scary person?  Deliberately outing myself in front of the community.

There are people WAY scarier than me.  I'm just very honest.



Jeffff -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:22:33 PM)

Hummmm....

You are "outing" yourself to pixels.

I can hear CarzyML's klaxon all the way in Chicago.



laurell3 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:22:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

I don't see what mocking me has to do with the very serious questions I am asking.



Well when you wrap that question in mocking behavior, you get back what you give. As you can see, the subs here ain't all that receptive to your superpowers. I'm going to suggest to you that if you run into someone that wants to submit just from casual conversation, you might want to think that's NOT because of your uber domliness, it's because you've found the wrong person. Anyone can get a following, finding people you actually want to follow you is a different thing all together.

You're not that special. A masochist may allow harm to herself under certain circumstances if not in the right hands. That's not mind control. Thus some of us may need to be very careful who we play with. If you are having trouble setting your moral compass and distinguishing between that and your sadistic needs, you aren't the right partner for them. I would suggest that you need to work on making sure that compass is functioning appropriately. I can't tell you how to do that as it's never been an issue with me.

Edited to add: I certainly have had moments when topping when I wanted to go on, that I can understand. However, before beginning and knowing my partner very well I set the bar and said this is where I am going today and didn't go beyond that. It's not that difficult. You aren't a child with a bag of cookies. You are an adult with another human trusting you.



Jeffff -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:24:30 PM)

I am a Sadist.. consider yourself warned...:)



windchymes -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:26:17 PM)

Apparently, that Mind Control thing doesn't work so well when typed. [8|]



laurell3 -> RE: The dangers of mind control. (6/12/2010 2:26:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I am a Sadist.. consider yourself warned...:)



Haha, I'm well aware of that, thank you for reminding me....your place or mine? [8D]



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