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lucky2beyours91 -> i need some advice please (6/22/2010 9:57:24 AM)

i'd really appreciate to know peoples thoughts on this matter that i am having a hard time with. Please note, this is not my actual account, i just am paranoid someone will see it and show it to my Master or something if i put this under my real name.
- i am only 19 and i have found a great Master. He literally is teaching me so much. He is getting me involved in the community even. He knows what He is doing and His experience in this lifestyle is 35 years ....i am lucky He accepted me as His submissive, He doesn't accept many. He puts a lot of time into building a good submissive and training me.
- i am really hypersensitive..and sometimes i feel my emotions get in the way. i feel like i am really, really starting to like Him, and depend on  Him...which is what He wants. He is my lover, mentor, Master...all of it put together. i feel so beyond lucky to have Him in my life.
-However, last time i was with Him something kind of bothered me. He has a slave also and she is 24/7. Whereas i am a submissive and i am not. i no way in hell could be as i have a huge vanilla life with college, friends and family and all. For me it's like living two separate lives, for her not so much. i am greatly impressed with all she does for my Master ...i am not jealous one bit and i am so happy she is happy and He is happy with her. i know she's been with Him longer and she does more for Him...so of course she is going to come first in His eyes, as she should and deserves.
-W/we were sitting down and of course we sit down on the floor the slave and i...and she brought out the pillows and i am to sit next to her she is to sit next to Him by the foot of the couch. So basically i am number 2 in line. Then He made the remark " slave before submissive". Now, my heart kind of sunk then... and then i felt stupid, i am not even jealous over her i am fine being with them and being second ....but i worry that it made me feel bad ...i wanted to be on the other side of Him so He could touch my hair also and so i could be closer to my Master also. It made me feel just horrible.
-i feel so selfish for thinking this i feel horrible for it bothering me ...
-It made me wonder if i should really be investing so much energy and emotions into Him...what if He truly doesn't think much of me?
- my friends say i just shouldn't become too emotionally involved because i never will be first ..but Y/you see i don't care about being first or not..i only care if He cares about me and O/our relationship..which i feel He does..He is giving me so much i never even dreamed about. So i don't know why this is bothering me so much...


Do any of Y/you have any advice? It'd be greatly appreciated .




leadership527 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:03:24 AM)

Advice? How could there be any advice? The situation you are describing is that you are second fiddle. There's nothing hidden going on here. He's been very up-front about that. It either works for you or it doesn't.

I can tell you it wouldn't work for me if I was the dominant in the equation. But what I can't tell you is whether it ought to work for you. If you want my wild speculation, I'd say your gut is giving you warning signs that you are over-committed. Your HEAD knows the actual story but your heart isn't in line. In short, my WILD SPECULATION is that your friends are right.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:05:49 AM)

Thank You....but then i get to the question ..." how do i not become too emotionally involved?" i mean the kind of play W/we do i don't see how i couldn't become too emotionally involved, especially since He wants me pouring my soul and heart out to Him :/





lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:08:37 AM)

i've had other experiences, but He's the first that i really have a connection with and just crave His dominance over me .... so it confuses me. i don't know how not to become emotionally attached. Plus, that's what He wants is me dependent on Him so wtf........i guess being second like You said will either work for me or not?




laurell3 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:09:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Thank You....but then i get to the question ..." how do i not become too emotionally involved?" i mean the kind of play W/we do i don't see how i couldn't become too emotionally involved, especially since He wants me pouring my soul and heart out to Him :/




Obviously, you can't and already are emotionally involved. That's ok, many of us are like that. The simple answer is you may need to find someone that can give you all those things and be only yours. Trying to be something other than what you are will only make you miserable.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:13:14 AM)

So i couldn't just get use to this? i think maybe i can is the thing? if i stop being so sensitive? Because He does give me a lot of attention and what i keep telling myself is that i don't need to be first..i am with Him for the experience because i am in college ....i am having the time of my life...having a D/s relationship at this age with someone so experienced is just icing on the cake. i have all my life to find that one person who will give me everything. But at my age, i can't and don't want to find that one person yet..i just want to learn and gain experience only.




mstrjx -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:16:08 AM)

I'll take the higher road (and the bashing that comes with it) on this one.

Assuming he has 35+ years in the lifestyle I'll say he's in his 50's minimum. You're 19. Now, I'm not criticizing the age difference, just pointing it out. As you point out, you have other real-life commitments as well, such as school.

What exactly are YOU trying to achieve in this relationship. If it's an introduction to a world that you've always (or for some time) wished to pursue and will continue in some fashion or another for many years to come (with whatever partner), then he has already fulfilled that for you. You mention a slave but not a wife so for the moment I'll assume that he isn't married. Are you looking for marriage from this man? From what you describe that is unlikely at best. Are you looking to graduate to becoming a slave? There's some chance of that. Assuming the slave has been around a minute or two, at some point in his mind you might graduate from submissive-hood to slave-hood through some determination on his part with more experience on your part.

So again, I'll ask what you hope to gain from this? If your goal is manageable, shoot for that and anything above that is gravy. One day this situation might end but you will be better prepared for what lies ahead.

Jeff




windchymes -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:20:30 AM)

There are dominants who just take from the subs and slaves but give nothing back.  For some reason, they think they deserve it, and the the subs actually enjoy being treated that way.  Being in that sub position is okay for awhile, but after it time, it starts to suck royally, especially if you've invested a lot of energy, time and money to make them happy.  And it's only human to feel emotions for those we've given to, and to feel empty and unfulfilled when they don't want to give anything back.

You're just being human.  Frankly, I think you should just move on and find someone who can share your emotional joy instead of squelching it, someone who treats you as you deserve to be treated.  




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:22:10 AM)

I will save you my entire opinion because you would not like it and it isn't worth the recoil.

I think you need to talk to your Master about this because if you were mine and you pulled a thread like this I would be more than just a little pissed. You insult your master by posting this by removing his ability guide you through this. It shows you do not trust him, and it shows you do not believe he can understand what is going on.

You aren't willing to accept that EVERYONE has a Life. I live mine the only way I know how. Day to Day. this whole idea that you are living two lives is crap. This SCREAMS to me that this is all a game to you. The deeper you get the more you are learning that this is something that CAN be done all the time. I am curious as to why you cannot be full time and still go to college and be yourself?

Sorry but the easier softer crap just isn't my style. The reason you are having a problem is because you want all the Perks that the slave gets without any of the responsibilities.

My Suggestion.... Surrender.

QSM




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:26:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrjx

I'll take the higher road (and the bashing that comes with it) on this one.

Assuming he has 35+ years in the lifestyle I'll say he's in his 50's minimum. You're 19. Now, I'm not criticizing the age difference, just pointing it out. As you point out, you have other real-life commitments as well, such as school.

What exactly are YOU trying to achieve in this relationship. If it's an introduction to a world that you've always (or for some time) wished to pursue and will continue in some fashion or another for many years to come (with whatever partner), then he has already fulfilled that for you. You mention a slave but not a wife so for the moment I'll assume that he isn't married. Are you looking for marriage from this man? From what you describe that is unlikely at best. Are you looking to graduate to becoming a slave? There's some chance of that. Assuming the slave has been around a minute or two, at some point in his mind you might graduate from submissive-hood to slave-hood through some determination on his part with more experience on your part.

So again, I'll ask what you hope to gain from this? If your goal is manageable, shoot for that and anything above that is gravy. One day this situation might end but you will be better prepared for what lies ahead.

Jeff

Thank You for being blunt.
He is a swinger ..and i knew that going into the relationship with Him. i am not that much into sex even because i am so young and He promised not to push that stuff on me...and He hasn't.. if anything i am asking to have more because i crave it.
He is married also. Which i totally don't mind. He is seriously one of the best Dominants i've met and His style just blows me away. It really gets to me. i guess yeah maybe graduating to that state of being a slave, but i don't know if that is what He is thinking or if that is even due able for me.What i do know that is due able is O/our intent and goal that He has put out for me..which is for me to become the ultimate submissive He desires. Giving my whole soul out to Him, when being with Him not let it to be possible to not just succumb to His every need and desire, that is ultimately the type of submissive He trains for, and what i strive to be. my goal is that...to let myself go find myself through submission with my Master...that Master because He brings so much out of me i never even thought i had in me. A great experience with learning is what i want.... and i wanted Him to be my Master because i knew He could do that and He is doing that.

-Exactly one day this might end...but i'd think about all the experience all i have learned from it..i doubt i could ever regret it..




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:27:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Thank You....but then i get to the question ..." how do i not become too emotionally involved?" i mean the kind of play W/we do i don't see how i couldn't become too emotionally involved, especially since He wants me pouring my soul and heart out to Him :/




I have a completely different take on this, if I may, as a Keeper in a rather large poly household with a wide scope of participants, and some complex protocols in place.

It seems to me that your Master was making a point of reminding you of the protocols under which you exist... and, perhaps, also reminding his slave. Especially when one has a new person that one is training, the protocols are "tossed out" as an abrupt reminder of one's place -- it isn't done to be cruel, but to reinforce and re-align.

I think that it is possible that, if you've been a particularly effective servant, and his slave likes you, he wants to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of your role. It is also possible that his slave is having some difficulty adapting to the new situation and having a newcomer present, and he used the phrase to reinforce for -her- what your respective roles are.

One of the things that is -very- difficult when it comes to hierarchical poly authority dynamics is that need to make sure that everyone internalizes hir place.

For myself, I would say that your friends probably don't understand these kinds of situations -- and, in fact, I think it is difficult for anyone who hasn't had some experience with poly -and- authoritarian hierarchy to understand them. I can see similar things happening in my household -- as well as situations where I don't train the new-come servant... one of my servants who is tasked with training does so. In these cases as well, the new servant can sometimes feel as if xhe isn't important enough to get the -Keeper's- attention for training, but the reality is that this isn't just about -me-, or about the newcomer... it is about making sure everyone in our household knows where xhe stands, supporting progress in existing servants by giving them greater responsibilities over new-come servants, and giving everyone the opportunity to flow with the hierarchy and shine individually as well.

I can see how this can be unsettling, especially if the reason one came into the relationship was because of the dominant individual in the chain (which is the case 99% of the time). There is the fear that the dominant party doesn't care about the newcomer(s). In reality, though, most of us do care very much about each person who yields authority to us... but part of the process of assuring that the authority really rests where it is supposed to is challenging the issues that may be 'sticking points' for that newcomer... and, in a hierarchical household, who holds which level is one of those 'sticking points'.

One thing that I always tell my servants is "If you have a question or are very uncomfortable with the way that something is going, have your trainer make an appointment so that you can see me." Normally, I'll hold these sessions with the trainer present, but a servant always has the right to ask for a private meeting. I would suggest that you ask your Master if you can meet with him, and let him know your concerns. From my perspective in dealing with multiple servants, I think it would be good for his slave to also hear what you have to say, since part of the issue may not be -your- problems with -her- presence, but -her- problems with -yours-... to know that you respect her, and embrace the opportunity to learn from her, may help to ease her through this transition as well.

I also tell people in new poly relationships that it takes a -year- to get used to one another and adjust to the changes -- there are typically upheavals and periods of discomfort, especially in that first year, and a process of strong communication between all the parties is definitely beneficial.

I wouldn't advise holding back how you feel and shutting part of yourself away because you'll never be "first" -- especially since it seems that this is not your biggest priority in this relationship anyway. Certainly, there is the possibility, when we allow ourselves to feel completely, that we will be at risk of being hurt -- but how much worse is it to be a part of something where we refuse to invest ourselves completely?

Calla




DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:29:36 AM)

What on earth are you doing with some old man?  He's practically a pedophile for being with you.  It's disgusting.  And I doubt you're at fault here.  I also doubt that you're either first or last in a long succession of barely legal playmates.  The fact that you're pouring out your heart and soul to him at his behest speaks strongly of manipulation on his part.  If I were you, I'd get the fuck out of there and don't look back.  What an ass!

Color me judgmental, but I really look down on such a huge age gap.  I find it repulsive.




DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:31:20 AM)

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He is seriously one of the best Dominants i've met and His style just blows me away.


At the age of 19, how many Dominants can you have possibly known?




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:31:37 AM)

He's an ass because he is older?

How in the fuck does that work?

So according to the Tao of Savage how old do I have to be to ride this particular ride?

Judgemental as hell.

QSM




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:32:38 AM)

Tell him if he wants you pouring your heart and soul out to him, he has to be careful with it and take good care of it, and talk to him about howthe comment made you feel, and how you would like to sit on his other side and be close to him too.
quote:

ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Thank You....but then i get to the question ..." how do i not become too emotionally involved?" i mean the kind of play W/we do i don't see how i couldn't become too emotionally involved, especially since He wants me pouring my soul and heart out to Him :/






CallaFirestormBW -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:33:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

What on earth are you doing with some old man?  He's practically a pedophile for being with you.  It's disgusting.  And I doubt you're at fault here.  I also doubt that you're either first or last in a long succession of barely legal playmates.  The fact that you're pouring out your heart and soul to him at his behest speaks strongly of manipulation on his part.  If I were you, I'd get the fuck out of there and don't look back.  What an ass!


This kind of response is, IMO, completely non-productive. Was there a point to this besides being judgmental, cruel, and rude?

Calla





DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:33:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan

He's an ass because he is older?

How in the fuck does that work?

So according to the Tao of Savage how old do I have to be to ride this particular ride?

Judgemental as hell.

QSM



In your 20s.  Not old enough to be the child's father.  Disgusting!




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:34:02 AM)

Or talk to the one in question and see if he'll stop making comments like slave before sub, and let her share his other side with him.

quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3






Obviously, you can't and already are emotionally involved. That's ok, many of us are like that. The simple answer is you may need to find someone that can give you all those things and be only yours. Trying to be something other than what you are will only make you miserable.




DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:35:12 AM)

quote:

This kind of response is, IMO, completely non-productive. Was there a point to this besides being judgmental, cruel, and rude?

Calla


Yes, the point was that this is someone who could and most likely will cause her harm further down the path, if he hasn't done so already. 




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:37:30 AM)

That's your right but stop spewing your opinion onto every one else.

Age gaps in relationships are not repulsive to every one, and obviously not repulsive to the lady in question, so don't spew your venom about it her way. Save it for someone who agree's and want it spewed their way.

By the way my partner is 11 years older than me. That's not as big a gap as the OP's but it's pretty big.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage



Color me judgmental, but I really look down on such a huge age gap.  I find it repulsive.





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