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laurell3 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:38:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan

He's an ass because he is older?

How in the fuck does that work?

So according to the Tao of Savage how old do I have to be to ride this particular ride?

Judgemental as hell.

QSM



In your 20s.  Not old enough to be the child's father.  Disgusting!



You do know men can conceive a child shortly after they have their first orgasm right? So in your estimation 10 years is too old and pedophile like? Seriously? Her question isn't about his age, it's about adapting emotionally to the situation. Get off your horse, it's making you look foolish.




DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:41:41 AM)

She shouldn't be trying to adapt to a situation where she's going to end up hurt in the long run.  10 yrs old?  I don't understand what you're trying to say here with that statement.  The man is 35 years as a Dom, he didn't start when he was 5, clearly, he is old enough to be her father and she has not even reached psychological adulthood.  The problem is that this is a grown man messing with the emotions of a child.  It's wrong.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:42:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Thank You....but then i get to the question ..." how do i not become too emotionally involved?" i mean the kind of play W/we do i don't see how i couldn't become too emotionally involved, especially since He wants me pouring my soul and heart out to Him :/




I have a completely different take on this, if I may, as a Keeper in a rather large poly household with a wide scope of participants, and some complex protocols in place.

It seems to me that your Master was making a point of reminding you of the protocols under which you exist... and, perhaps, also reminding his slave. Especially when one has a new person that one is training, the protocols are "tossed out" as an abrupt reminder of one's place -- it isn't done to be cruel, but to reinforce and re-align.

I think that it is possible that, if you've been a particularly effective servant, and his slave likes you, he wants to make sure that there is no misunderstanding of your role. It is also possible that his slave is having some difficulty adapting to the new situation and having a newcomer present, and he used the phrase to reinforce for -her- what your respective roles are.

One of the things that is -very- difficult when it comes to hierarchical poly authority dynamics is that need to make sure that everyone internalizes hir place.

For myself, I would say that your friends probably don't understand these kinds of situations -- and, in fact, I think it is difficult for anyone who hasn't had some experience with poly -and- authoritarian hierarchy to understand them. I can see similar things happening in my household -- as well as situations where I don't train the new-come servant... one of my servants who is tasked with training does so. In these cases as well, the new servant can sometimes feel as if xhe isn't important enough to get the -Keeper's- attention for training, but the reality is that this isn't just about -me-, or about the newcomer... it is about making sure everyone in our household knows where xhe stands, supporting progress in existing servants by giving them greater responsibilities over new-come servants, and giving everyone the opportunity to flow with the hierarchy and shine individually as well.

I can see how this can be unsettling, especially if the reason one came into the relationship was because of the dominant individual in the chain (which is the case 99% of the time). There is the fear that the dominant party doesn't care about the newcomer(s). In reality, though, most of us do care very much about each person who yields authority to us... but part of the process of assuring that the authority really rests where it is supposed to is challenging the issues that may be 'sticking points' for that newcomer... and, in a hierarchical household, who holds which level is one of those 'sticking points'.

One thing that I always tell my servants is "If you have a question or are very uncomfortable with the way that something is going, have your trainer make an appointment so that you can see me." Normally, I'll hold these sessions with the trainer present, but a servant always has the right to ask for a private meeting. I would suggest that you ask your Master if you can meet with him, and let him know your concerns. From my perspective in dealing with multiple servants, I think it would be good for his slave to also hear what you have to say, since part of the issue may not be -your- problems with -her- presence, but -her- problems with -yours-... to know that you respect her, and embrace the opportunity to learn from her, may help to ease her through this transition as well.

I also tell people in new poly relationships that it takes a -year- to get used to one another and adjust to the changes -- there are typically upheavals and periods of discomfort, especially in that first year, and a process of strong communication between all the parties is definitely beneficial.

I wouldn't advise holding back how you feel and shutting part of yourself away because you'll never be "first" -- especially since it seems that this is not your biggest priority in this relationship anyway. Certainly, there is the possibility, when we allow ourselves to feel completely, that we will be at risk of being hurt -- but how much worse is it to be a part of something where we refuse to invest ourselves completely?

Calla


holy cow that was like the best post ever, You really enlightened me, thank You, i might message You further even. thank You so much.




laurell3 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:42:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Or talk to the one in question and see if he'll stop making comments like slave before sub, and let her share his other side with him.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3






Obviously, you can't and already are emotionally involved. That's ok, many of us are like that. The simple answer is you may need to find someone that can give you all those things and be only yours. Trying to be something other than what you are will only make you miserable.




I'm not sure all the talking in the world would make someone poly when they aren't, but ok, I do agree she should talk to him.

OP:

I do not agree you did anything wrong by posting here.

I do think you should ignore any comments that don't fit your situation or are foolishly judgmental and unhelpful.

I do think we are either monogamous or not as humans. I also have been in the situation where not enough was offerred for me to attach emotionally and you cannot make yourself be something you are not nor should you accept less than what you need.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:43:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

What on earth are you doing with some old man?  He's practically a pedophile for being with you.  It's disgusting.  And I doubt you're at fault here.  I also doubt that you're either first or last in a long succession of barely legal playmates.  The fact that you're pouring out your heart and soul to him at his behest speaks strongly of manipulation on his part.  If I were you, I'd get the fuck out of there and don't look back.  What an ass!

Color me judgmental, but I really look down on such a huge age gap.  I find it repulsive.

So, the fact you find it repulsive makes it ok for you to offer nothing except such judgements, rather than maybe some helpful advice?  Or hell, just dont type a thing.

That tolerance thing is sometimes such a bitch.

To the OP: You have to decide if you can accept it as it is. Older men can be awesome, but the thing is, more than likely he is not going to change for you.

Decide and then go with that decision.  Life is a fun ride.




laurell3 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:46:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

She shouldn't be trying to adapt to a situation where she's going to end up hurt in the long run.  10 yrs old?  I don't understand what you're trying to say here with that statement.  The man is 35 years as a Dom, he didn't start when he was 5, clearly, he is old enough to be her father and she has not even reached psychological adulthood.  The problem is that this is a grown man messing with the emotions of a child.  It's wrong.



Really? I've heard this judgement thing before...it goes something like this..."you let a man hit you? are you nuts? you're sick"

You want to throw rocks in your glass house, great, watch out though, it will shatter very soon. She didn't ask you for your opinion on the age difference.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:49:23 AM)

Thank You everyone i already feel so much better.
i think i really will talk to my Master in the near future about this (just not right now He's on a trip...work is driving Him crazy .....i just loaded Him with an email about something else which He hasn't even had time to respond to..so i think this issue can wait a bit).

To Darling - i have tried to find Dominants my age. They just don't do it for me, i am smarter and run circles around Them. With my Master now, i don't dare to pull bullshit, i feel my submission really coming out because of His age and experience. i know He won't hurt me because of who He is and how experienced He is ... He isn't just wanting me for sex. He is polite in every aspect ....... especially when it comes to sexual stuff since i am so new to it all. He knows how to push me because of His age. i feel comfortable and secure for once under somebodies wing.

To me, being with a 50 year old who really cares about my journey and has the educational background to help me become the best i can be... is the best thing i do right now. i like His age, i find nothing wrong with it i feel lucky to have Him.
-i couldn't even begin to dig deep into my submission with a 21 year old dude who has no idea wtf He is doing. so please try to respect my decision, thanks.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:50:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Or talk to the one in question and see if he'll stop making comments like slave before sub, and let her share his other side with him.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3






Obviously, you can't and already are emotionally involved. That's ok, many of us are like that. The simple answer is you may need to find someone that can give you all those things and be only yours. Trying to be something other than what you are will only make you miserable.




I'm not sure all the talking in the world would make someone poly when they aren't, but ok, I do agree she should talk to him.

OP:

I do not agree you did anything wrong by posting here.

I do think you should ignore any comments that don't fit your situation or are foolishly judgmental and unhelpful.

I do think we are either monogamous or not as humans. I also have been in the situation where not enough was offerred for me to attach emotionally and you cannot make yourself be something you are not nor should you accept less than what you need.


Thank you . <3




laurell3 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:51:09 AM)

My pleasure. Good luck!




PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:52:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91
i have all my life to find that one person who will give me everything. But at my age, i can't and don't want to find that one person yet..i just want to learn and gain experience only.


You answer yourself here...

you have all your life to find your special one one day...you say yourself you dont want to find that one person just yet...you just want to learn and gain experiences only...

then take a step back and take it just as that...as a chance to learn and to experience with no force of lifetime committment...relax [:)]




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:53:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeanutTigerinBox


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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91
i have all my life to find that one person who will give me everything. But at my age, i can't and don't want to find that one person yet..i just want to learn and gain experience only.


You answer yourself here...

you have all your life to find your special one one day...you say yourself you dont want to find that one person just yet...you just want to learn and gain experiences only...

then take a step back and take it just as that...as a chance to learn and to experience with no force of lifetime committment...relax [:)]


yeah, lol sometimes i do that...i think You're right. haha.

omg, making this thread made me feel so much better.




angelikaJ -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:54:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

Color me judgmental, but I really look down on such a huge age gap.  I find it repulsive.



I did not want to derail the thread; you have mail.




PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:57:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage
and she has not even reached psychological adulthood. 



such judgemental statements about people we don't know in person just make regular my eyes roll...what a luck that here are so many "experts" [8|]




DarlingSavage -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:58:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

She shouldn't be trying to adapt to a situation where she's going to end up hurt in the long run.  10 yrs old?  I don't understand what you're trying to say here with that statement.  The man is 35 years as a Dom, he didn't start when he was 5, clearly, he is old enough to be her father and she has not even reached psychological adulthood.  The problem is that this is a grown man messing with the emotions of a child.  It's wrong.



Really? I've heard this judgement thing before...it goes something like this..."you let a man hit you? are you nuts? you're sick"

You want to throw rocks in your glass house, great, watch out though, it will shatter very soon. She didn't ask you for your opinion on the age difference.


You don't get it, I'm not throwing rocks at her, I am throwing rocks at him.  I don't think it's her fault, which I alrady stated.  I think that she is being manipulated.  Now, I have class so I'll have to wait before answering further.

Oh, QSM, she's not a ride, she's a human being. 




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:00:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

Oh, QSM, she's not a ride, she's a human being. 



Not the way you are treating her right to make choices for herself.... so she might as well be a ride, you treat her like she has no ability to think for herself.

QSM




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:05:32 AM)

in the bdsm world...age difference isn't a huge deal usually, LOL.





PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:10:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

That's your right but stop spewing your opinion onto every one else.

Age gaps in relationships are not repulsive to every one, and obviously not repulsive to the lady in question, so don't spew your venom about it her way. Save it for someone who agree's and want it spewed their way.

By the way my partner is 11 years older than me. That's not as big a gap as the OP's but it's pretty big.
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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

Color me judgmental, but I really look down on such a huge age gap.  I find it repulsive.



quite frankly the guy who introduced me to bdsm in general some years ago is about 22 years older than myself he is in the middle of his 50s...when I met him the very first time I was 27...and even if I would be 19...I could not ask for a better person to teach me with confidence AND the necessary responsibility into this lifestyle. With him I knew he was trustworthy and has the situation under control at any time. After my very first experience with subspace with him I was grateful that I was with him...as I knew I was completely safe with him even when I lack of actual knowledge what happened during my time of surfing in there down here in reality with him...however I knew he took care of me during that time without any lack of a doubt.

I would prefer someone with a huge age gap who actually knows properly what he is doing at any time to someone closer to myself age wise who might not have a clue what he is doing and puts me at risk with his potential lack of knowledge. Therefore there is nothing wrong with that. After all she is 19 and not underage [8|]

And with your opinion to look down on such an age gap, thats your personal value and belief...doesn't mean that others have to share the same [:)]




leadership527 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:12:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW
This kind of response is, IMO, completely non-productive. Was there a point to this besides being judgmental, cruel, and rude?

No, there was not.




Born2BMasochist -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:15:02 AM)

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You don't get it, I'm not throwing rocks at her, I am throwing rocks at him


Ok quick note to you on this one, you are throwing rocks at HIM but HE is her DOM. So you are in essence talking bad about her DOM. i would not let you disrespect my DOM in that way.

Ok, OP, Honey, i actually feel exactly how you are feeling. my Dom is actually married and has another life besides me. i used to be married and live the double life, now i am only with him. There are a few things that came to mind when i was reading your post? First off how dependant does he want you to be on Him? Because being submissive does not mean you have no independance at all. And you seem to have it because you do still have an outside life and friends. i have personally had Doms tell me that my Dom is not doing something right, but its the dynamics i accept as his submissive that makes me stay with Him. Ok, i am not jealous of my Doms wife at all, i take the play when i get it, i submit when i can, and we have a good relationship. But one thing i do do when thoughts like what you are thinking come up, i journal my thoughts. i am not afraid to journal the wildest things. Sometimes his wife does nto even treat him right, but that is not my business to get into. But one thing that you Dom should always have interest in is your feelings and you should never feel the need to hide anything from him. Every once in awhile i have gotten jealous of his wife and i tell my Dom i need to talk, and i have been opened with it. One concern is that you feel you can not discuss these things with him, this only makes your relationship stronger. i have told my Dom from the beginning, i will never ask you to give up your wife for me. That has not changed and if that feeling did come about , i would tell him, then we would decide what would be best for the two of us. and it may be the ultimate choice of us breaking up. This is my opinion, if you want to talk further pm me. i see a lot of similarities in our relationships?




leadership527 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:15:04 AM)

Yes Darling, we do get it. We get it that you disapprove of this young lady's choices. We get it that you find her judgement flawed. We get it that you want to treat her like a child.

We seriously need to make a new forum here for all you subs who like to dom the entire world. Is there something in the air this week? First Ranja now you?




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