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LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 9:51:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

See i am kind of scared to talk to Him about this matter because i think He might think i am being selfish. That is one of the biggest things He says a submissive should never posses. So i'd be scared He'd be highly upset or disappointed, i don't know how to go about talking to HimĀ  about this...how to start the convo? What to say?



There is a big difference between being "selfish" and feeling emotions. I don't think selfishness is something anyone should possess, regardless of their BDSM "identity." As others have said (and I have not read all 9 pages), being poly might not be for you. Regardless of the age difference, it does sound as though he has spent time convincing you that you should be "ok" with him having multiple relationships. Obviously, if you want to be with him, you need to adjust. But you still need to decide if being poly is right for YOU. Being submissive doesn't mean you have to give up what you want or desire from a partner.

As I understand what you have written so far, he is married PLUS has a slave and then you as his submissive. Does his wife know about you and the slave? Because THAT is an important thing to know. Right now you are feeling sensitive to being put second (which is actually third), but imagine how his wife would feel if she doesn't know? If she does know then you need to ask yourself if you can adjust to being the third "most important" person in his life. It is possible for him to teach you without you giving up your soul to him.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:53:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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Sometimes people are so intent on proving themselves to be right that they are unable to see the whole picture and therefore their reading comprehension goes to hell


How would you know what I was saying, it's obvious you never read nor attempt to comprehend anything I ever say. 



Obviously that isn't true at all or I wouldn't have spotted your misunderstanding re: Domme wife, slave and submissive.

As for where I found that information, it was contained within the texts of the OP's posts.

I am surprised with your use of the the generalization "never".




It seems to me like you're always looking for something to be wrong in whatever I'm saying, so naturally, you jumped at that one observation, but on the whole, you, and apparently some others, have reduced my maternal instincts and desire to protect a girl from harm into a need to be controlling and be "right at all costs".  So thanks for the insult. 

Why aren't you aiming your remarks towards some of the other people that share my belief on this matter?  I'm sorry, but I'm always going to think that a 50 yr old man having sex with a 19 yr old girl is creepy.  Creepy for him, harmful for her.  I wonder if he isn't also on some sex offender's list somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised to find that he was.  I'm always going to see this as borderline pedophilia if it isn't outright.  I'm sorry you seem to think it's ok for dirty old men to molest teenage girls.  Do me a favor, why don't YOU put me on hide, I'll return the courtesy.



Ok, last thing i am ever going to say to you because this is something i really should say something to you about...

W/we don't have sex, it's not in our relationship..it's not part of O/our arrangement ............so yet again it's something you are coming to false conclusions about because you don't know my relationship. Please, just stop :/.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 10:58:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

See i am kind of scared to talk to Him about this matter because i think He might think i am being selfish. That is one of the biggest things He says a submissive should never posses. So i'd be scared He'd be highly upset or disappointed, i don't know how to go about talking to Him  about this...how to start the convo? What to say?



There is a big difference between being "selfish" and feeling emotions. I don't think selfishness is something anyone should possess, regardless of their BDSM "identity." As others have said (and I have not read all 9 pages), being poly might not be for you. Regardless of the age difference, it does sound as though he has spent time convincing you that you should be "ok" with him having multiple relationships. Obviously, if you want to be with him, you need to adjust. But you still need to decide if being poly is right for YOU. Being submissive doesn't mean you have to give up what you want or desire from a partner.

As I understand what you have written so far, he is married PLUS has a slave and then you as his submissive. Does his wife know about you and the slave? Because THAT is an important thing to know. Right now you are feeling sensitive to being put second (which is actually third), but imagine how his wife would feel if she doesn't know? If she does know then you need to ask yourself if you can adjust to being the third "most important" person in his life. It is possible for him to teach you without you giving up your soul to him.


He wants me to feel.......and i guess there is a difference. i just have to find the right time to talk to Him now.






LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:13:26 PM)

Ok, so now I have read all 9 pages, very little of which consisted of advice to the OP.

Now I see that his wife is aware, so that problem doesn't exist. You being third on the priority list still does though. You have to determine if you can handle that. There was one other thing said by the OP that I think she should be concerned about. lucky, you mentioned that his slave isn't a swinger, but that he is making her do it. Now, forgetting about limits or no limits because she is a slave, reality is that this is something that should have been discussed prior to them becoming master/slave. Him making her do it reaks of manipulation. Perhaps it was poor wording on your part, but it isn't right to force someone to be poly.

The reason I mention this is because manipulation is an undesirable characteristic. It is one thing to be guided, or to have limits pushed that you already knew you wanted pushed. Even introducing someone to something they may not have considered so they can see how they feel about it are all ok. But "making" someone do something by using your position of power to override earlier agreements is not cool.

Now, I'm not going to get into the whole issue of my opinion regarding the age difference. What I am going to say is you are NEW to the lifestyle. In that way, you are "young." You would be "young" like that if you were 19, 25 or 45. When things are new, it's like a kid's first time at Disney World. You want to do everything all at once. It's all new and exciting. Because of this it can be very easy for someone to manipulate you into doing things that you might really not want to do.

I'm not saying poly is wrong. For some people it isn't. But a D/s relationship is intense and what I do see is you questioning your feelings. Feelings that are completely natural and normal, and saying you are worried he will see you as being "selfish." Having the feeling of wanting to be close to someone you have deep feelings for isn't selfish. Not wanting to sit and watch as that closeness is given to someone else isn't selfish either. They are, however, indicators that poly relationships might really not be for you.

As I said before, being in a BDSM relationship doesn't mean that if you are a sub, your feelings make you selfish or even insecure. As you have or will see on these boards, there are a great many people who will not accept a poly relationship, no matter how great the "head" of that family will be (using that term to cover both female and male led situations). For myself, I know that I would never be happy. In fact, I met a man several years ago who seemed perfect in every way. Our lives kept us apart for a while, and when we talked again, he had developed a poly household. He invited me to join as the alpha, and still I said no.

The point is that you need to think about what you want. As odd as it may sound, it isn't all about him. You need to be happy as well, and multiple relationships are a bit harder to force yourself to adjust to than say, him wanting you to cook him liver and onions and you hate the smell. So if you are going to "deal with it" then you need to pull back a little bit. Why? Because whether or not you are a sub, it sounds like you have yourself in a position where protecting your heart wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. In time, maybe you can let it go little by little, but right now, yes, you do need to be very sure, and you need to talk to him about it and think long and hard if he tells you that you are being selfish.




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:17:32 PM)

OH Man did it feel good to read that.

All the people just ASSUMING that a 50yo and a 19yo HAD to be Fucking!!!!

Man do you all look stupid.

I was informed that this was not a Lolita Situation but it did not come from the horses mouth so I didn't say anything.

So Now that sex is off the table is it STILL a big fucking deal?

Now that sex is off the table, is it still stuck in your craws that she is with someone serving someone, devoted to someone who ISN'T taking advantage of her, but rather being there for her on a level that promotes education and safety without being a walking cock puppet?

The thing is that Most of you assumed that she much be riding a 50 year old cock, and THIS is what bothered most of you. THIS is what you were protesting against when even if it were true... Even if she was... It's still a choice that SHE made.

Serioulsy with all the "I know better than you" bullshit that has been thrown around this thread, now that the sex is off the table.... What then do you still really have a problem with?

And if you DO still have a problem... Why? What is SO WRONG about being submissive to someone you respect who is WORTH being respected?

QSM




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:19:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Ok, last thing i am ever going to say to you because this is something i really should say something to you about...

W/we don't have sex, it's not in our relationship..it's not part of O/our arrangement ............so yet again it's something you are coming to false conclusions about because you don't know my relationship. Please, just stop :/.



Wait a minute.  In your original post you said

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... He is my lover, mentor, Master...all of it put together...


There were other references eluding to sex, though I'm not going to go back and cite them all.  I don't really give a damn enough to bother.  I just have this silly little fact fetish, and felt compelled to point out the glaring discrepency.





LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:23:39 PM)

Wow Winsome,

I missed that. Good point. I do think that there is a lot going on emotionally here that isn't necessarily because of her age or his age, but because she is new and inexperienced. That is where I think the real issue is. They could both be 35 and I would say the same thing.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:25:54 PM)

First off yeah i haven't even talked to Him, so He might not even say i am being selfish...i just am worried He might say that because i personally feel bad for feeling this and feel selfish about it. i always seem to come to wrong conclusions with how He deals with situations... which always makes me happy and makes me put my faith in Him.

i'm not sure how the whole thing played out between Him and His slave, nor is it my business but He owns her...it's a different dynamic than what i have going on with Him. i just saw something little about it once... she had to figure out if it was ok for her or not. That's not my business though.

i knew getting into this i probably wouldn't be first..it isn't about being first to me.. are my needs being met? Yes ... am i happy? Yes... so i think that's what i should be focusing on. Him, His wife and His slave are poly together, whereas i am not. i am only 19 and i have tried to be poly with two doms before and it didn't work... because i am only 19. my Master now is so different and has helped me see i shouldn't parent myself and being in a poly relationship i feel i have to act all adultish and oldish lol ...so it'd be going against everything He has taught me so far. His slave lives wtih Him and yeah we go to parties together, but training sessions aren't with her... my needs are being met so in this situation i think really if i talk to Him about what i am feeling... having other people in the relationship i will be just fine with...i am not a jealous or selfish person as long as i have a good relationship with someone and i am getting my own needs met.

it just caught me by surprise ........ stunned me and hurt me... i just am so new to everything i feel i have so many questions for Him i am always asking Him questions and He says it makes Him happy every time He hears from me... but i also just try to be respectful and not overload Him ...but He hasn't gotten mad at me once for communicating. obviously i am lost here and the only thing that will make it better is if i get clarity which will only come from Him.





lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:28:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Ok, last thing i am ever going to say to you because this is something i really should say something to you about...

W/we don't have sex, it's not in our relationship..it's not part of O/our arrangement ............so yet again it's something you are coming to false conclusions about because you don't know my relationship. Please, just stop :/.



Wait a minute.  In your original post you said

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... He is my lover, mentor, Master...all of it put together...


There were other references eluding to sex, though I'm not going to go back and cite them all.  I don't really give a damn enough to bother.  I just have this silly little fact fetish, and felt compelled to point out the glaring discrepency.




Just because you love someone and care for someone doesn't mean sex.........it's different for everyone :/. Ouch.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:43:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Just because you love someone and care for someone doesn't mean sex.........it's different for everyone :/. Ouch.



If that's your story, and you're sticking to it, oooook.  It doesn't have a very solid ring of truth, considering the other posts of yours where you elude to sex.  

Stating you are lovers is pretty suggestive of a sexual relationship.  Saying he doesn't want you "just for sex" implies that while your relationship is more than sex, sex is still part of the equation.  I could go on, I have a pretty good memory for posts but, meh.  I don't see any real reason to elaborate further. 




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:46:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Just because you love someone and care for someone doesn't mean sex.........it's different for everyone :/. Ouch.



If that's your story, and you're sticking to it, oooook.  It doesn't have a very solid ring of truth, considering the other posts of yours where you elude to sex.  

Stating you are lovers is pretty suggestive of a sexual relationship.  Saying he doesn't want you "just for sex" implies that while your relationship is more than sex, sex is still part of the equation.  I could go on, I have a pretty good memory for posts but, meh.  I don't see any real reason to elaborate further. 


Well, sorry to give you false illusions which i did not mean to ...but it is a fact we don't, sure i really like Him because He is my Master but W/we don't ... *shrug*

But, it seems you are going to jump at any opportunity to bash me at this point so whatever i say won't really matter.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:51:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Well, sorry to give you false illusions which i did not mean to ...but it is a fact we don't, sure i really like Him because He is my Master but W/we don't ... *shrug*

But, it seems you are going to go at any opportunity to bash me at this point so whatever i say won't really matter.



I'm not all about the bashing.  But, if you are all about playing the victim, I'm sure someone will come along and help you out.

WinD




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/22/2010 11:59:33 PM)

i'm playing victim by stating your assumptions were wrong? Doesn't seem like everyone else got the same idea as you and that other girl....

Yeah, ok my bad.

How is this helping out my thread again? It has nothing to do with it please keep with the topic or don't post, and i mean that with a lot of respect.




LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:15:23 AM)

Well, you do understand that just because you don't play with everyone, you are still in a poly relationship, right?

As for the sex thing, Winsome wasn't bashing you. Saying someone is your "lover" indicates you are having sex with them. "Not all about sex" says there is more than just sex, but there is sex.

But back to your OP. So he encourages you to talk and you don't. Have you wondered why? Yes relationships are hard work. All relationships. But it shouldn't be a struggle. In your situation, everyone knows about everyone else, but your statement "As long as I'm getting my needs met, and I'm happy..." would that apply if everyone didn't know? Because THAT statement actually is pretty selfish.

Look, it doesn't matter what anyone says here. Whatever you were looking for people to tell you, you obviously also got a lot more than you bargained for. That's the thing about asking for help on the boards, you have to take the good with the bad. But a wise, mature person will even look at the bad and give it some thought (at least some of it), because while it might not be the answer you are looking for, it doesn't mean that it was pointless.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:17:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

i'm playing victim by stating your assumptions were wrong? Doesn't seem like everyone else got the same idea as you and that other girl....

Yeah, ok my bad.

How is this helping out my thread again? It has nothing to do with it please keep with the topic or don't post, and i mean that with a lot of respect.



Fair enough.  I'll post to your topic.  However, I'll clarify a few things.  By  that other girl, I suppose you mean Savage.  She's fun.  I like her.  However, I happened to DISAGREE with her and her feelings regarding your situation.  I couldn't care less if you were having sex.  Couldn't care less if you blew the entire geriatric ward, or if he diddled your entire graduating class.  Just wanted to make that clear.  I only cared that you implied one thing, then said another.  Again, there's that whole fact fetish of mine.

Now, back to the angst of your original post.  It isn't at all unusual for Dominants who have more than one partner to create a hierarchy.  I myself was a collared slave in a house of five slaves.  I was fourth girl, then third girl.  I  know the internal struggles that take place.  I have my own opinion regarding it, but suffice it to say that while it was an interesing experience, it isn't one I'd want to repeat. 

I could go on about how your feelings are natural, blah blah blah, but come on.  You already know that.  The rest was all eloquently laid out by Calla and elaborated on by Lady Pact and quite frankly I really hate being all redundant and stuff. 

WinD




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:21:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Well, you do understand that just because you don't play with everyone, you are still in a poly relationship, right?

As for the sex thing, Winsome wasn't bashing you. Saying someone is your "lover" indicates you are having sex with them. "Not all about sex" says there is more than just sex, but there is sex.

But back to your OP. So he encourages you to talk and you don't. Have you wondered why? Yes relationships are hard work. All relationships. But it shouldn't be a struggle. In your situation, everyone knows about everyone else, but your statement "As long as I'm getting my needs met, and I'm happy..." would that apply if everyone didn't know? Because THAT statement actually is pretty selfish.

Look, it doesn't matter what anyone says here. Whatever you were looking for people to tell you, you obviously also got a lot more than you bargained for. That's the thing about asking for help on the boards, you have to take the good with the bad. But a wise, mature person will even look at the bad and give it some thought (at least some of it), because while it might not be the answer you are looking for, it doesn't mean that it was pointless.


Obviously his posts aren't said in a manner that is going to cause any positive response either though.

i am, but only to a certain extent is how it differs. like this relationship is WAY different than the poly relationship i had with my ex two dominants . this kind of relationship i can deal with and flourish in.

it wasn't meant selfishy i am saying i am getting my needs met as a fact...so i don't know why i felt hurt. feeling hurt because of that is what made me feel selfish. my Master by dealing with my needs makes me want to succumb to Him even more.

i do talk... that's the problem i worry i talk too much..i am quite the talker.. i don't want to annoy Him or bother Him.. which is stupid ..and eventually i know i wont be it's just the beginning stage i think. but i am so open with Him and He seems to know what i am thinking before i say it.

this is a conversation i have to have face to face with Him though so this has to wait.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:24:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

i'm playing victim by stating your assumptions were wrong? Doesn't seem like everyone else got the same idea as you and that other girl....

Yeah, ok my bad.

How is this helping out my thread again? It has nothing to do with it please keep with the topic or don't post, and i mean that with a lot of respect.



Fair enough.  I'll post to your topic.  However, I'll clarify a few things.  By  that other girl, I suppose you mean Savage.  She's fun.  I like her.  However, I happened to DISAGREE with her and her feelings regarding your situation.  I couldn't care less if you were having sex.  Couldn't care less if you blew the entire geriatric ward, or if he diddled your entire graduating class.  Just wanted to make that clear.  I only cared that you implied one thing, then said another.  Again, there's that whole fact fetish of mine.

Now, back to the angst of your original post.  It isn't at all unusual for Dominants who have more than one partner to create a hierarchy.  I myself was a collared slave in a house of five slaves.  I was fourth girl, then third girl.  I  know the internal struggles that take place.  I have my own opinion regarding it, but suffice it to say that while it was an interesing experience, it isn't one I'd want to repeat. 

I could go on about how your feelings are natural, blah blah blah, but come on.  You already know that.  The rest was all eloquently laid out by Calla and elaborated on by Lady Pact and quite frankly I really hate being all redundant and stuff. 

WinD


Thank you for that post.




LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:35:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lucky2beyours91

Obviously his posts aren't said in a manner that is going to cause any positive response either though.


His who?

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i am, but only to a certain extent is how it differs. like this relationship is WAY different than the poly relationship i had with my ex two dominants . this kind of relationship i can deal with and flourish in.


I'm guessing those were with those younger guys who probably used the term/concept "poly" as a means for screwing whatever, whenever they wanted.

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it wasn't meant selfishy i am saying i am getting my needs met as a fact...so i don't know why i felt hurt. feeling hurt because of that is what made me feel selfish. my Master by dealing with my needs makes me want to succumb to Him even more.


And that is why everyone has told you that maybe you really aren't the poly "type." Just because you are getting your needs met, doesn't mean him meeting others' needs as well shouldn't bother you.

You say that typically, when you and he are together, it is just you and him. During those times it is easy for your mind to not think about the fact that there ARE others. After all, out of sight, out of mind. The incident that upset you though, brought the attention that others get and the fact that you AREN'T at the top of the list right out in the open, you couldn't pretend it didn't exist. By "pretend" I don't mean that you are actively pretending that they don't exist either. It's kind of like the mistress to the married man. When they are together and he is paying her all that attention, lavishing her with gifts, taking her on trips and to intimate little spots, it's easy for her to forget he has a wife at home. Then Christmas comes. And while she is sitting there alone, it reminds her how someone else takes his time.

I know it isn't what you want to hear, but a lot of what you are saying sounds like you want to force yourself to be poly because you want to be with him. It isn't something you can force AND be happy. What I keep trying to tell you is that whatever feelings you are having, you really shouldn't try to suppress them. Let those feelings be what they want to be. Pay attention to them. Those feelings are telling you what you really do want. Nothing selfish about it.

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i do talk... that's the problem i worry i talk too much..i am quite the talker.. i don't want to annoy Him or bother Him.. which is stupid ..and eventually i know i wont be it's just the beginning stage i think. but i am so open with Him and He seems to know what i am thinking before i say it.

this is a conversation i have to have face to face with Him though so this has to wait.



He chose to take on someone new. You having lots of questions and wanting to talk a lot goes with the territory. But if he has honestly never said anything derogatory about it, you need to figure out why YOU worry about it so much.




lucky2beyours91 -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:38:58 AM)

i worry about ti because i am afraid of being ditched, that's always my number one fear because of something that happened when i was 13.

i don't know...when i saw Him with his slave though i really didn't mind at all i actually enjoyed seeing Him with her it made me happy to see Him to happy...and i thought " wow i could learn a lot from her" ..... it was just that one thing that really bothered me....




LafayetteLady -> RE: i need some advice please (6/23/2010 12:45:07 AM)

Ok, well, you are always at risk for being ditched. We all are. It's the risk you take to be in a relationship. You do need to remember though, that if he does ditch you (him or anyone in the future), then they really aren't right for you after all.

See it is one thing to see them and think "Oh aren't they happy." It is quite another though when you go to sit down and are reminded quite pointedly that she comes before you. The subconscious can be funny that way.




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