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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Agreed.

Unfortunately, however, it isn't just the lower class or unskilled people. Tons of new families are signing up for aid every day. Parents that had jobs but now cannot find work. People's perceptions that the majority of people on welfare are lazy people having kids to get money is just really ridiculously untrue. Every other program that we underfund, such as the absolutely abhorrent state of mental health treatment, ends up in the welfare system. The way to get these people off the dole is to spend more money training them, helping them, getting them treatment...etc. We don't do that, we toss them in a pot and say they suck and think that's going to work.

Thank you very much for pointing this out.
People forget that we have 1.6 million people in prison. What do people think happens to the children of those incarcerated?
We have over half a million children in foster care. Social Services has a difficult time placing them. If they started taking kids out of homes of people that were on welfare, they would have no place to put them.
The economic crisis we are in has been an equalizer. Workers in all economic classes have found themselves displaced. ENTIRE CITIES have been shut down because factories failed or just went across the border.
And many people in this country are only a couple of paychecks away from welfare themselves.

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

i think there is too much of  a focus on the lazy unemployed individuals which is urban myth. People dont choose not to work. They are forced by circumstances into times where they cant work. The millions worldwide who are currently unemployed would give their right hand for a job but they cant get one because the system is fucked up because people at the top thought they knew best, paid themselves handsome salaries even though they didnt merit them and sabotaged it for the rest of us mere mortals just trying to survive. Now companies wont hire because of the recklessness of their own actions. They cant make money business is down etc and why is that. One simple answer CORPORATE GREED
kevin

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ORIGINAL: DarwinsLilHelper

Exactly where in the Constitution, does it say I have to help pay for someone else to birth and raise a child other than my own?

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

No one wants to talk about that either. Because a LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC President was the only leader we have had with the gumption to actually do something about welfare reform.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bernie Madoff was not a multi-national corporation, LadyC. Just a very clever crook who got caught. It seems like you are just throwing anything into the air to avoid the question about what happens when people are taught they don't need to work, and that it is better not to.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bernie Madoff was not a multi-national corporation, LadyC. Just a very clever crook who got caught. It seems like you are just throwing anything into the air to avoid the question about what happens when people are taught they don't need to work, and that it is better not to.

So what about AIG ?  What about my post on wealth distribution ? What gets me is why so many republicans fall for the con that somehow they are getting a fair deal.

Giving billions of taxpayer dollars to corporations isn`t socialism.It`s predatory capitalism,which in neo-con translates to,..... "freedom"......

And boy those cons sure gave a major dose of "freedom"......hundred of billions worth.

[:D]

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Funny how you forget that your LIBERAL DEMOCRAT President did it when his party had their asses horribly kicked in the congressional race, and had no fucking choice in the matter. You also neglect to mention how our current LIBERAL DEMOCRAT President actually mentioned in the "church debate" that he had helped gut that law in his State legislature.

Stop spouting bullshit, and don't go demanding answers to questions you came up with while trying to avoid the one I asked you.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Anyone who imagines living on welfare is a fun ride is sorely mistaken.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: laurell3
While we may be enabling the parents, we are feeding the children (in theory at least).

And what are they learning about how life works?

You're right let's just let millions of innocent children die because they're parents are out of work. Come on people, yes the system is flawed. No, bitching doesn't fix it. Unless you can come up with a viable system that does work, saying the system is broken is meaningless.

Look hon,freedom requires a few broken eggs.......[8|]

Get w/ the program......[8D]

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ORIGINAL: DarwinsLilHelper

You see...Everyones so caught up in the "Lets do it for the poor suffering children " Mantra of Liberalism...That they've overlooked the obvious answer.

Stop having children we can neither care for, feed or properly educate.


Just that simple. Stop government financing of the birth welfare babies. Mandatory sterilization in order to receive welfare after the first child. No Sterilization...No WIC, TANF or Foodstamps.

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
It doesn't say you have to help pay for them.  It simply means you cannot STOP them from having children. 

The laws passed by the govn't say you have to help pay for them.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Unfortunately we have this little constitution thing....you might have read about it? It says that issue is none of the goverment's business.

When the government starts paying for something it becomes their business.

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ORIGINAL: DarwinsLilHelper

Exactly where in the Constitution, does it say I have to help pay for someone else

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Unfortunately we have this little constitution thing....you might have read about it? It says that issue is none of the goverment's business.

When the government starts paying for something it becomes their business.

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ORIGINAL: Brain
Okay, but it doesn't mean they have the right to start sterilizing people, that's ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Here's a crazy idea, LadyC. How about instead of going all caps and bold on me, (which doesn't impress) you go back and answer my question about what it does to the soul of a child when he isn't allowed to build a work ethic?

Here is an even crazier idea, TheHeretic. I will stop typing in bold and caps if you will stop using profanity (which does not impress either)....deal?
 
Here is my answer:   I don't know what happens to their soul, if they don't develop a work ethic, but their bodies usually end up in prison, Where we are still going to be providing for them. So that puts us right back at square one.
 
You are assuming that people have no work ethic just because they recieve aid. They can be provided for and have a good work ethic. And if children are not learning it from their parents, then they can learn it from the schools that should be educating then, or from the same social service that is feeding them. One thing for sure they can't get a good work ethic if they are dead can they?

I have an answer to your question (though I doubt you'll like it very well), but I think you are afraid to answer mine.