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xBullx -> RE: Why is illegal so hard to understand. (7/4/2010 2:27:28 PM)
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Now I'm just asking,and not making any assumption.....honestly,but this guest worker program you speak of...and its need to be "fairly monitored and regulated" would this be a path to citizenship for these guest workers...would these workers enjoy all the rights and protections of actual citizens?
If not than all that such a program would accomplish is creating a second tier class of not quite citizens.
And most importantly would such a program be open to those who are allready here...which of course would be seen by some as some sort of "amnesty" proposal......a certain kiss of death to any such proposed legislation.
Honestly, I think a guess worker program is the only way that an illegal that is here already can actually be allowed to stay in the US without calling it amnesty.
Frankly I don't mind that those that are here and are actually becoming "Americans" stay. But I do care about those from Latin America and other countries around the world that have been trying to do it by the laws we have already prescribed end up getting short changed in their hope to become Americans. Honestly I prefer to take on those that are trying to do things the "right way".
That beings said, I think that those here could be given a guest worker card, they could then follow the same process that those here on any other type of Visa have to in order to become citizens. If someone out there thinks they should somehow be penalized for circumventing the process originally and provide solid reason for such a penalty, I would consider that fair and balanced towards those trying to do things the right way, I don't however think sending people home to apply again is going to be prudent or feasible.
As far as all the same rights as citizenship, no, I don't think they should enjoy all the same rights or benefits. When they choose to become a citizen and if they are awarded citizenship then they would be, just that citizens.
As I said they could earn the right to apply like others already trying for such. But I don't think giving benefits and rights like voting should go to anyone but a citizen.
Now their employment benefits and rights should not be short changed. They should have health benefits, the ability to pay taxes that would provide education and opportunities to their children. They should not be paid less than citizens for doing the same work, so fair labor practices must be involved. But I don't believe that they should have all the rights of a citizen politically or in some cases legally (i.e... if their home country wanted them extradited or if they were to compromise the rules applicable towards their worker permit).
There's nothing wrong with US citizens having benefits in being such, it's the existence of those benefits that have these people wanting to come here. But, I do believe that not being a citizen equals being treated sub humanly.
I wrote this a bit in haste but wanted to get it off before I went out for 4th of July activities.
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