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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 7:43:03 PM   
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creamy?.... why don't you petition the Uni?




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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 7:45:35 PM   
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Katy I am really glad that domi's and Jeff's post's to you are truly in nature, quite a bit of soft and fluffy affection.


Yeah, but did domi really have to say "beau"?  Did I hear that?  There is no beau to see here, move along...


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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 7:54:40 PM   
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Ahhh you killed him first!

Brilliant! He can't hurt you now.



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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 7:59:39 PM   
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domi taught me the proper use of a dumpster.  I am forever indebted to him.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 8:08:51 PM   
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I think usually it finds you.


Only someone in love can say that with a straight face.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 8:22:28 PM   
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I do have to say though, for me when both are present, the kink doesn't take precedence.


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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 9:06:19 PM   
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Oh my god the laffs available here! I love it! You folks ees funny!

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 9:34:36 PM   
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Katy I am really glad that domi's and Jeff's post's to you are truly in nature, quite a bit of soft and fluffy affection.


Yeah, but did domi really have to say "beau"?  Did I hear that? 



Alright who is he?? Spill it, woman!

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 9:36:49 PM   
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fell off my chair again

lmao

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/14/2010 9:41:54 PM   
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I think usually it finds you.


Only someone in love can say that with a straight face.


Nope. Desperation breeds contempt.

I really can't say I've ever had it happen just because I've wanted it to, in fact, usually quite the opposite.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 1:04:51 AM   
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As for you, I can only hope this is it. You know my thoughts and desires where you're concerned. I needn't repeat them. Just give me the happy ending so we have something to celebrate. You're more than deserving.

~porcelaine


im on it!  - xxxxx love and hugs xxxxxxxxx

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 2:18:38 AM   
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i met my dominant husband quite vanillaish... and he wanted me and i fell in love with him and we were ok like that... but alas we did not live happily everafter... the love disappeared it seemed.... and then i found myself hating him... i hated him for quite a while but i stayed put... mostly because i really know he is a good man... even though i hated him... i figured if i was to leave i'd only find another man that i would end up hating... so, better the devil i knew.
Eventually i decided to properly submit to him... and to my surprise we found 'the path'  fancy that, we are seriously kinky now and set for the happily everafter after all... and i realise i must have loved him all the time...
(somehow i find myself sounding like king Julian)

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 8:33:19 AM   
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Love to Me is something that is not immediate. It's only going to come after a serious time investment, usually hand in hand with trust building. That feeling is going to grow over time with anybody and if there's going to be any chance of that happening, it's going to be because we're participating in the activities that bring us each personal fulfillment. 


See, I'm the same way. I don't enter into a relationship with the idea that we're striving for love. For me, love is something that finds its way into a relationship over time, as we develop an attachment to one another. That's one reason that I don't "date". I don't go -looking- for "love". If I'm going to include someone in my life as a -part- of that life, I will have found them through some common element that we share, and we will become acquaintances, then associates, then friends, and, perhaps, eventually, family. How well that develops depends on a lot of factors, but the most crucial one for me is -time-. I won't jump right into a romantic relationship with someone, -period-... so in a way, it makes sense that most of the servants I've spent time with and most of the bottoms that I play with are people I consider either acquaintances or associates, and there's nothing wrong with that -- we still enjoy our time together, it just isn't at the level of intimacy that builds over time.

Calla

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 9:29:26 AM   
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See, I'm the same way. I don't enter into a relationship with the idea that we're striving for love. For me, love is something that finds its way into a relationship over time, as we develop an attachment to one another. That's one reason that I don't "date". I don't go -looking- for "love".


Calla,

In my opinion that's the difference between being and coming into a situation with a prepared script and a bevy of things that must occur according to the other party. It bogs down the partnership with expectations that render the individual unsatisfied when their ill applied preconceptions fail to unfold. They've predetermined what love is, how it looks, and what comes next before you've taken a step. Much like you I don't seek love, but remain open to its presence in my life. That is how I enter my relationships. When a gentleman has already decided that he will sweep me off my feet and make me fall head over heels we're probably in for a letdown at some point. I prefer natural interactions that allow for inspired responses rather than those the person has preprogrammed before my arrival. I don't need to fall in love, but will love my owner in time if my emotions take me there.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 1:30:42 PM   
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Yes, I agree with you totally. When I was seeking, I was very frustrated at the "kink" emphasis, and also the seemingly poor to non-existant relationship skills here. I got asked up front totally inappropriate questions; many "doms" did the "Call me Sir" thing; that usually lasted about 5 minutes, max, because I would say "I dont do that". I think most people are here for the kink. I know others here have said that your perceptions are wrong - but I agree with you. And, many here are really "bottoms" or "tops", in other words, are interested only in bedroom D/s and kink.
Aren't you making the same mistaken assumption that plasticene was, though?  Why does the fact that someone wants to build the kink relationship first...make sure that the D/s and/or BDSM dynamic can exist without the love and then, if a romantic attachment develops, fine...equate to poor relationship skills? 

I am the first to admit that I wish to have a romantic relationship as well as a D/s/BDSM dynamic.  However, my last submissive would tell you that the kink dynamic was being explored between us as the romantic relationship was developing alongside and, while they both came to require equal time, at first it was the kink---the ins and outs of BDSM and D/s dynamics from my perspective and hers---that was explored first.  In that area, I will agree with Lady Pact...for me, I might fall in love with you but if the kink is not there, if some strong semblance of the D/s BDSM dynamic I seek is not there, then the romantic relationship will fizzle.  For me, the love and the sex and the D/s and the BDSM are all intertwined.  And while I can do a casual D/s BDSM dynamic without love or I can enjoy an even more time-limited casual vanilla sexual dynamic, I cannot do a serious long-term love relationship without the D/s and BDSM nor, to be fair and upon reflection, try to engage in a long-term serious D/s and BDSM relationship without love. 

I find that there are an awful lot of submissives that want to talk about everything BUT where D/s and BDSM and the sexuality that goes with them fit into their life...they want to find out if we are compatible outside that arena.  you know what?  I understand that but I am pretty curious about most things...I have a wide range of interests from reading to hot rods to motorcycles to sports to television to movies to knitting to airbrush painting to art to history to architecture to politics...and I can carry on a conversation about any of those topics, and more, and enjoy doing them to one level or another.  But D/s and BDSM and sexuality are at least as crucial, if not more so, to any dynamic I form as those things are and I want to know where a person stands on D/s and BDSM and sexuality as much as I care to hear about her work day.  If a submissive and I can converse for 3 hours at a time each time we speak or 30 minutes every night and never get bored in our conversations BUT we never go near kink or D/s or sexuality...and that includes people from my past as well as my present and my future...then that person may be a great friend but it is unfair in a sense since I am trying to address their primary interests AND maintain an interest in those areas because I am interested in the person in one way or another and they are not addressing mine except as fits their schedule, their convenience and their mood.


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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 2:10:19 PM   
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I made a mistaken assumption?  I'm just asking questions. :shrug:

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 2:13:10 PM   
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Aren't you making the same mistaken assumption that plasticene was, though?  Why does the fact that someone wants to build the kink relationship first...make sure that the D/s and/or BDSM dynamic can exist without the love and then, if a romantic attachment develops, fine...equate to poor relationship skills?


CreativeDominant,

I chalk it up to differences in relating and how each individual's priorities in terms of partnerships line up. Kink has its place but it is meaningless if the individual is incapable of executing leadership and mastering me. That is my model. On the other hand I have specific tastes that I'm unwilling to compromise. I like what I like and make no apologies for this. I refer to my ideal as a sadistic miscreant with class. It encompasses the bulk of what I'm seeking aside from the obvious leadership experience. I indicate this to allow the other person to make an informed observation of his qualifications in that regard. Whether he makes an honest assessment or believes I'll bend on these fundamental truths is another subject altogether. But for what it's worth I don't.

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I find that there are an awful lot of submissives that want to talk about everything BUT where D/s and BDSM and the sexuality that goes with them fit into their life...they want to find out if we are compatible outside that arena.


I think that holds true on the other end as well. I've met more than a few that thought they'd woo me through their charm or emotions rather than capability and our compatibility for the other. I won't ignore the latter two because he tickles my heartstrings. However, I choose men that lead not dominants that want to lead. Big difference. I've gotta like the whole package.

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If a submissive and I can converse for 3 hours at a time each time we speak or 30 minutes every night and never get bored in our conversations BUT we never go near kink or D/s or sexuality...


I'd wonder why you didn't cut to the chase in all truth. I'm assessing our suitability for further exploration as opposed to getting acquainted with him. I didn't always operate in this fashion but it saves time and alleviates situations that have the possibility of dragging out unnecessarily.

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I am trying to address their primary interests AND maintain an interest in those areas because I am interested in the person in one way or another and they are not addressing mine except as fits their schedule, their convenience and their mood.


If I allowed every man that wanted to monopolize my time while he waffles over what he wants or refuses to state his case to do so I'd never get anywhere. There's a big difference between people that entertain ideas and those that bring them into fruition. Talk is cheap. Action isn't.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 5:08:46 PM   
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The OP posted a question; I gave my opinion. TO ME: building a relationship on kink is the same as building a relationship on sex. In the world of vanilla, I see people doing the following, very regularly (I am a mental health professional): they meet, have a date or 2 or 3 ( there is something called the "three date rule"); and then they are in bed together. From there, there seems to often (not always, but often) be an assumption that they are in a relationship. Well, they may or may not have things in common, but they are proceeding as though they do, when all they may have shared is a couple evenings, and sex. I see this disaster again, people doing it from age 15 to 65, whatever.

For me, it would not work to try to start a relationship based on kink. I dont want to be with someone who does not share my values. Part of that values exploration includes talking about D/s values. My relationship does not revolve around kink. It revolves around respect.

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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 8:40:28 PM   
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Alright who is he?? Spill it, woman!


I already have pangs of guilt for over-sharing, I tend to be more secretive.  It is nothing serious.  Trust me, if I meet the dom of my dreams, I will let you know! 


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RE: Where's the love? - 7/15/2010 8:43:12 PM   
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Alright who is he?? Spill it, woman!


I already have pangs of guilt for over-sharing, I tend to be more secretive.  It is nothing serious.  Trust me, if I meet the dom of my dreams, I will let you know! 



slag heap cunt.

btw, I wrote you a few days back...totally unrelated subject to your new beau. And it didn't go through. Did you shut down your account?

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