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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 12:00:46 AM

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OK 59, I'll take that on...

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 12:27:00 AM

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I don't give a shit if he's purple. I just wish he was up to the job

I wish we could have a purple President. That would be so cool.

I have no qualms about admitting I'd vote for a purple President solely based on the color of his skin. Call me racist if you want.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 1:21:57 AM

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Well logically the purple ones never fucked the place up like the white ones. You might be onto something here.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 2:56:08 AM

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So I'm guessing we had a rough moment sometime today, Jen?

First, all us white folks had to start saying, "black," now we aren't supposed to. It's almost like a neurotic, depressed divorcee suddenly declaring to all the friends she has left that they now have to call her by her "new" name. You get one of those.

Yeah, they're stuck with me using "black", it's what I grew up using, and now that I can see crotchety middle age so clearly, that's what I'll be using.

boijen, I can't "do" the word negro, it makes me think of Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction, and makes me laugh, so...

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 2:59:34 AM

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Most racialists or race conscious people(both black and white) think of and call our president "black".

When he`s half black half white.

There I go,being politically incorrect again.

Well, we goddam sure can't call him "oreo"

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:09:07 AM

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I spent so much time in California that I prefer being called causasian...then I moved back to WV and had to deal with being called..."white."

To me it's funny that races can be called by colors. My uncle is pure blood Iriquois and his skin isn't red. My first boyfriend was Indian and from Trinidad...and his skin was darker than most "black" men, but he wasn't "black" he was Indian.

Another thing I find funny is that in each area I've lived in recent years before now I have been part of the actual minority for our area..."white." My neighbors have not used people of color, colored, black, African-American, or negroes...to refer to themselves or their friends, but a word I'm not allowed to use here. It's a word forbidden to me because of my skin, which is asinine as it should be forbidden to all or to nobody.

I don't like using African-American because like somebody mentioned, it should be saved for first generation immigrants. It does not define a race, but a continent...that also has caucasians and arab countries. My family all threw themselves into the melting pot and became simply Americans, and many passing as pure blood of any one race are just looking in a mirror and taking a guess. Most of us are mongrels.

I've had friends who were 1/16 negro and 15/16 caucasian, and yet identified as "African American." That's having one great great grandparent of another race. I have a great great grandma who was pureblood Cherokee but you don't hear me calling myself American Indian.

When I lived in California, I knew a "black" man who had an autistic son and when the doctors tried to put black on the birth certificate he threw a fit and demanded that they put...American...instead. Yaaaaay.

I'm sick of hearing stuff like "reverse racism" when racism is just racism, there is no reverse about it. People need to look up what the word means instead of trying to redefine it.

In high school, I had a favorite art teacher I really respected, until one day when he opened up his mouth and told the class, "I don't care what anyone says...if you are WHITE, then you are prejudiced against black people." Yes, I stood up in class and looked down my nose at him, and told him slowly that was the most prejudiced statement I've ever heard. And glared.

I used to respect Oprah too, until she stuck her foot in her mouth. I am tired of all this racial shiite. We need to just use the names of races, not ethnicities, and allow for people being mixed in racial and ethnic heritage.

We have German, Dutch, English, Korean, Iriquois, Cherokee, Negro, and hispanic all mixed up in our mongrel American family tree.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:19:50 AM

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Good post, Cynthia.

We're all human, and the tinting of our skin doesn't make us smarter, dumber, kinder, braver, sneakier, meaner.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:21:19 AM

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Yet calling them Brown people isnt acceptable either. when it is clearly what they are.. but when it comes to the point where we have to re-write nursery rhymes like Baa Baa Black sheep, and rename that centuries old classroom tool the Black board because it may offend someone?? now THAT is where the real bull shit is.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 5:42:24 AM

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Yet calling them Brown people isnt acceptable either. when it is clearly what they are.. but when it comes to the point where we have to re-write nursery rhymes like Baa Baa Black sheep, and rename that centuries old classroom tool the Black board because it may offend someone?? now THAT is where the real bull shit is.

Has anybody got a citation for either case actually happening, though? Those are both "looney left" scare stories from the '80s, if memory serves.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 5:50:10 AM

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Black folk, make up your fuckin minds what you wanna be called or we're gonna go back to calling you people "negros".

While we're at it, how is "colored" that much fuckin different than "people of color"?

I refuse to call you all "African-Americans" because not all of you have heritage in country existing within the continent of Africa.

White folk are happy being called white folk. Now get with the damned program.

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Just to confirm. Yes, you are a racist.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 5:56:48 AM

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Maybe... but Lebron James was not being treated like a plantation slave...:)

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:03:00 AM

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Well, we goddam sure can't call him "oreo"

Oddly enough, before My favorite little person was born, a lot of My daughters friends called her an ut-oh oreo. She thought it was funny as hell.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:11:22 AM

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Maybe... but Lebron James was not being treated like a plantation slave...:)

Would appreciate it if you didn't pick at that open wound. Long days here in cleveland. Sports are dead.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:17:25 AM

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Black folk, make up your fuckin minds what you wanna be called or we're gonna go back to calling you people "negros".

While we're at it, how is "colored" that much fuckin different than "people of color"?

I refuse to call you all "African-Americans" because not all of you have heritage in country existing within the continent of Africa.

White folk are happy being called white folk. Now get with the damned program.

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I've always preferred being called by my name.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:20:04 AM

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Wow,I was hoping for more "learning moments" and less "what`s da rules" posts.But happy it hasn`t gone to ugly.This is one of the most easy demagogue subjects there are.

One thing I never do is try to define "the rules" and even less,make sense of them.It`s a hundred catch 22`s.It`s cultural and regional and changes with time.

Certainly nothing to get miffed about,pissed about or exasperated about.

One bit of bullshit I don`t buy is the notion that someone is victimized or somehow harmed by not being allowed to use taboo names/words/phrases.Jeeze,get a set and grow up.

One really stupid comment I heard(hear on CM) was "if "colored" is so bad,why does the NAACP use it?.That, I`m afraid is someone who will never get it or just doesn`t want to.

Some don`ts

Bad commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAfXNzXueE&feature=related

Jimmy the Greek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFJxwQPQUY

Kinda push`n it adverts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpGRQSKAaA

Sony....Japanese are short and.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93KrnZ0UJQk&feature=related

While those ads were from real companies I think this one`s faked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcIiY0s2fk&feature=related

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:38:29 AM

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I dunno. I was raised to believe that a racist was someone who treated people differently based on the color of their skin. These days, that seems to have morphed into a racist being someone who DOESN'T treat people differently based on it.

It's all very complicated. I just run on the premise that trash and assholes come in all colors.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:40:00 AM

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Black folk, make up your fuckin minds what you wanna be called or we're gonna go back to calling you people "negros".

Um, perhaps we could call people simply by their names?

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:05:42 AM

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It`s more sophisticated and hidden nowadays.

For example,

Foxnews is pushing a story that a group of black whackos who want to kill white`s etc. were let go by Obama and the AG(who are black)therefore,the administration is racially biased.

Opps.

The charges weren`t dropped by Obama.

They were dropped by bush(a white guy,for the fox viewers).

bush let the black whackos go.

The Obama admin officials Fox is saying did this or that or the other bad thing,weren`t in their positions when those decisions went down.bushies were.It`s a completely manufactured ,fake outrage made to exploit fear and race.

Essentially,foxnews and rightist media(and dickhead CM members) are trying inflame racial unrest and tension,hatred if you will,by pushing this lie.

True,it`s not overt or as simply defined as rich points out.

But the racism and racial hate baiting sicko shit is there, just like in the old days.

Only now it`s in a news story about something that never happened,trying to make people believe that something very racist and ugly and scary did happened,repeated again and again,til there really is damage done.

The charges of racism against Obama in this piece ,are being placed by folks who really would like there to be more racial tension and misunderstanding,racial hate and race trouble,while hiding behind a false front of good faith reporting.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:18:40 AM

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Now you are just telling stupid lies, Basiji.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:22:28 AM

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Well let's start with the definition of "racism":

rac·ism

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1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

Ok then...let's also try "bigot":

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660 : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective —
big·ot·ed·ly adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Alright so we have the definitions of racism and bigot.

I'm one of those people who has that strange opinion that when a certain group tells another group "you can't use 'x' word because it was formerly used negatively by people you look like"...that's racism. Says so in the definition of the word..."the right to rule others"...based on race. So making rules for one racial group that don't apply to another racial group solely based on race is racism. Assuming the motivations and background of another individuals is asinine.

Understand that I feel the same way about "fagot" and "queer" too. (See: bigotry) It ain't my place to make an assumption about how and why someone is using a certain word in any given situation until rights are being trampled upon or fists are being thrown (being treated equally is a right....it's in our fuckin Constitution).

Sure it's great to say, "Jen, you should call people by their names." Which I do...when i know their names and I'm not speaking about a group of individuals prone to certain genetic diseases. Just like I call Jews, "Jews"...they're Jews! Ta-fuckin-da! (Jews are also prone to a certain set of genetic diseases that individuals of other racial heritage aren't).

I forgot what else I was gonna say...damn redneck nature. I'll think of it later.

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Edited for spacing and grammatical shit...which probably still isn't correct.

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