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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 1:35:46 PM   
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Sorry if it came off that way.Not my intention.

But experiencing racism and sexism isn`t very far apart in terms of the damage done,harm felt and bad feelings.

In fact,woman are worked against and harmed as much as any racial group in terms of numbers.

That would put black woman at the bottom.It theory,gay black woman are lower on the totem poll.

These are two groups that should be working sholder to sholder in this effort.




Well socially speaking, Latino women and Latino gay men, in America, face the highest rate of discrimination and random violence. I'll find my link....I know you want it.



Add poor to that and one is rock bottom.

I know a few folks that are wheelchair bound.For them,life really is more difficult,on every level.Physical,social and work-wise.

Back on topic.

There are way to many pit-falls and traps in this subject.To many bad faith players(of all/any race)and to many folks who don`t want to see the situation improve,just to many to count.

Trying to figure out all the "rules" and nuances would require an encyclopedia.

When I hear someone rant that Chris Rock uses the n-word but he can`t and why,I think,go ahead,walk into a public place,I don`t care where it is or who`s there,see the reaction you get from both blacks and whites.That is someone who doesn`t have the comprehension to know why using the n-word is ill advised.


It`s really about context and what one`s intentions are.If someone is genuinely puzzled by it all and wants to know,that frustration is understandable.

But if one`s intentions are meant to insult and degrade,folks will pick up on that too.

I don`t agree with the fellow who said you a racist.I don`t see it anywhere in your posts.I do see your frustration though(and his too).

Added:


One thing to keep in mind is that there really are racists, bigots and bad faith players operating right now,as we type.

They don`t wear buttons or carry signs,except at tea party rallies.Those asshats carried weapons there too,and not just a billy club or mag-light.I saw the guns.

So they aren`t so easy to spot.

But they are there all the same.


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 1:40:51 PM   
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A lot of racism comes out of frustration, sadly. Just look at these poor deluded idiots who vote for the BNP: they've been fed a few comforting lies that give them easy scapegoats for the stuff that pisses them off.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 1:49:36 PM   
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I'm kind of olive-skinned.  I want people to call me "olive you!"

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 1:55:19 PM   
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I have patches of skin on my back with no pigment.The bit in my underarm area has white colorless hair.

Hard to see unless I have a tan,which is never.But when I do,I could be called part albino.


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:25:26 PM   
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I would like to agree with Jen on the whole African American terminology.  My mother was born in Africa.  Northern Rhodesia which is now Zambia.  I have more right to label myself as African American, but frankly, that's just too damned much assumption on my part.  I'll stick with being called American.  How 'bout them apples?

Now, it isn't blacks' fault that their own people sold them to the Americans.  It isn't their fault that they were brought here and brutalized for many many many years.  It isn't their fault that they were treated like shit.  It isn't their fault that they were made to be less than human for a long, long time.  It is their fault that they have a militant group of black men running around terrorizing voters, acting like fools, and overall giving themselves a bad name.  THAT is why racism is still alive boys and girls.  Because people see those guys from the black panthers and freak out.  Whatever was ingrained in our white little brains decades ago to see that and be fearful, I don't know what it is, but it's still prevalent today.  When a group of people have massive deviance from where they want to go and be, they reprimand them.  Instead, a large group, or at least, that's what I see, of the black community, just stand there and go, "Well, I don't know if I agree with them or not, but the white man ain't gonna stop 'em 'cause that would be racist!"  The American government is scared shitless it seems, including Bush, Holder, and the entire DOJ, to do anything about that organization or any other.  They were bullying voters.  If the KKK did that, they'd be arrested and sentenced to hate crimes. 

I'm just sick and tired of the double standard.  Either you want to be treated equally or you want preferential treatment.  Either you get treated equally or you continue to breed racism, discrimination, resentment.  Most white people look at institutions like affirmative action and spit in disgust at being passed over by someone because of color of skin.  What was once supposed to ease the wounds of discrimination only bred more.

When the oppressors become the oppressed, they begin to resent, hate, and seethe.  Eventually, I think they'll get tired enough to fight back.  I don't think that that's a good idea. 




And just like dear ole mom you probably think Apartheid is something that should be imported here. I've read a lot of fucked up things here...but that one I think gets first prize. Fucked up enough to believe any of your own bullshit?


No, I don't believe that at all.  All I'm saying is that maybe people should stop pointing fingers at the "white man" and start looking at themselves to blame.  Or rather, not so much blame, but responsibility.  The history of this country is gruesome and awful.  Between the massive abuses to the then African Americans and to the American Indians, our history is a dark one.  I won't deny that.  I won't even try because I'd be a fool if I did. 

When my father was in high school, he would call one of his best friends nego or nigga.  It was acceptable, at least in high school, for white men to call blacks nigga, negro, brother, etc.  Nowadays, the term nigger, nigga, negro, etc. is used in a very different way by blacks, but when a white person says it, it's racist.  The lines of acceptance are skewed.  People/persons of color is taken as offensive by others, and to others, it's racist to call blacks anything other than person/people of color.  As a white person, I am constantly in fear of offending someone of a minority group because the terms I use are incorrect or construed as racist when I know in my heart that I am very much NOT racist. 

Maybe you think I am because I don't cowtow to what you feel is acceptable.  Maybe you think I am because I expect that the rude, disrespectful behavior or an organization that should stand for black empowerment and NOT racism, should be held responsible.  I'll have to hunt down those links I posted on the other thread if need be.  Maybe you think I am simply because I am white and I have to be racist because I am white.  I don't know what to tell you. 



I dont think anything about you. I don't care one way or another you have to live with who you are and what your think. If you don't believe all of it why did you say any of it? What are you really saying?

All I am trying to point out to you is words matter. You know they matter, boijen knows they matter. You can holler all you want to that they are just words. Bullshit. Words cut just as much as knives do. There are plenty of women who are abused simply with the use of words by a man. If they matter that much don't you think we should watch how we use them?

You can tell me that things are equal all you want. Two facts. The Unemployment rate for Black/Lation men are 3x what it is for White men. There are a hell of a lot more men in incarceration with brown and black skin than white.......If you can prove to me that there is no preference or racial choice in those numbers then I will listen. But, we both know there is racial preference to those numbers...


I meant that I didn't believe in apartheid.  I have said everything I feel to be the truth by my own personal experiences. 

Words do matter.  Being told my father that I was going to "burn in hell" hurt like hell.  Being called a cracker, a white cunt, etc hurts like hell.  I don't know what it's like to be black.  I don't have a fucking clue at all, but I do know what it's like to be discriminated in my own world.  I'm Pagan, I'm into BDSM, I'm a conservative, which is a contradiction all on its own. I know what it's like to be me, and I can relate on some sort of level, but I have no sympathy for a portion of the black community who belittles my being discriminated against.  Just because my skin is pasty white, and because I lack the history of your people, it doesn't mean I lack the right to be upset or pissed off. 

Don't feel sorry for me.  Level with me.  Level with the rest of the world instead of sitting there and telling them that their being discriminated against doesn't own up to what your people had to deal with.  That makes people feel like shit, and they start hating you because you want to play the, "my sad, sob story is so much worse than yours."  Just a thought.  -Shrugs.-

You're the one who said there is something race-based in those "fact."  The burden of proof is on your side of the court, darlin'. 

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:27:56 PM   
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I did watch the video. 

You did?
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Where is the terror? No one is running. No one is cowering or other wise indicating fear. As a matter of fact someone clearly states "everything's fine" to the cameraman's breathless inquiry.

The entire incident has been completely blown out of proprtion up by FauxNews.

No matter what nothing the NPP does or says is justification for continued anti black bigotry.


There aren't many people out there, actually, but I would feel very uncomfortable if I was walking up there.  Anyone who says they're just there on an afternoon stroll is either an idiot or completely and totally blind.  He is carrying a weapon.  They both look very intimidating, and after watching the other videos with him as the lead, he's not someone I'd want to go near in any capacity. 

A girlfriend of mine works the polls, and she would have called the cops on them. Just sayin'. 


I've served as a poll worker in the past and your gf would be wrong. False police statement felony wrong.

They weren't electioneering. Until and unless they actually threatened someone overtly they had as much legal right to be present as anyone else.


If you feel threatened, you have every right to call the police.  If the KKK had been standing out there with the batons, shit would have hit the fan.  Don't tell me that's bullshit. It's not. 


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:39:22 PM   
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I've been to Greek festivals, Italian food tastings, China towns in multiple cities, etc. I haven't yet seen a an angry individual at any of those events or locations demanding that they get addressed as "Italian-Americans", "Irish-Americans", "Chinese-Americans"...nor have I read national news of such ethnic groups kicking up a fuss about not being recognized as different enough. The only time I've seen these referenced differences in real life application is through school text (the melting pot stuff) and in the news with the news being the source of the need to differentiate.


The reason for the bolded bit is because back in the day, being "Italian American" or "Irish American" meant you were papist trash who should be discriminated against, whereas being "white American" meant you finally got a fair shot.

And there's really no parallel for black Americans. They didn't go from being Zulu-Americans or Yoruba-Americans to being "black Americans" and when the term "black" was coined it probably sounded a lot better than "colored" simply because there were five thousand signs that said "no colored" or "colored use only" whereas there were no "no blacks" signs. It seems like an empowering thing for a disenfranchised people - ideas like Black Pride, Black is Beautiful etc.

I know my heritage...obviously that's easier being the daughter of one immigrant, but I can say what country and region my ancestors came from, if I were really into that sort of thing. Most black Americans can't say the same. There's a reason blacks are called African-American and whites are called, say, German-American or Norweigan-American or Italian-American...it's an identity thing. Some adopted kids have the same fuzzy identity - they know they're "white" but they don't know anything beyond that, and they're aware of the lack.

Honestly I don't understand the switch from "black" to "African American" because (duh) I'm not black. I'd guess it would have something to do with wanting to reclaim heritage. Black American culture was born of slavery - I honestly don't know what it's like to have to deal with that. As a person of European descent, I can identify with the Europeans who founded America, and brought European values to it. I have no issues with the "land of opportunity" concept - my immigrant ancestors came voluntarily and their children blended in as American as apple pie, even if their parents did have accents.

Somewhere on the internet I read a critique of Obama that basically said our first "black President" is a biracial son of an African immigrant who was raised by a white family - the only thing "black" about him is his DNA. I see "racism" as prejudice based on skin color and so to me Obama is (half) black, but I know a lot of people think it goes beyond skin color and that racism is rejecting "black culture" as inferior to "white culture."

I don't know how I feel about that.

Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that if you don't understand why someone would rather be called African American...what does it hurt to call them that? The labels obviously mean nothing to you, but they probably mean someone to that person if they're drawing a distinction. It seems selfish for you, the person who doesn't care about the words, to not switch to the one that the person who actually cares wants to use.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 3:43:06 PM   
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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 4:07:07 PM   
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I did watch the video. 

You did?
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Where is the terror? No one is running. No one is cowering or other wise indicating fear. As a matter of fact someone clearly states "everything's fine" to the cameraman's breathless inquiry.

The entire incident has been completely blown out of proprtion up by FauxNews.

No matter what nothing the NPP does or says is justification for continued anti black bigotry.


There aren't many people out there, actually, but I would feel very uncomfortable if I was walking up there.  Anyone who says they're just there on an afternoon stroll is either an idiot or completely and totally blind.  He is carrying a weapon.  They both look very intimidating, and after watching the other videos with him as the lead, he's not someone I'd want to go near in any capacity. 

A girlfriend of mine works the polls, and she would have called the cops on them. Just sayin'. 


I've served as a poll worker in the past and your gf would be wrong. False police statement felony wrong.

They weren't electioneering. Until and unless they actually threatened someone overtly they had as much legal right to be present as anyone else.


If you feel threatened, you have every right to call the police.  If the KKK had been standing out there with the batons, shit would have hit the fan.  Don't tell me that's bullshit. It's not. 


Since you asked so nicely. BULLSHIT.

Feeling threatened is not sufficient cause to have someone arrested. There has to be an overt act.

If Klan members had been standing in front of a polling place in south Philly holding nightsticks there would have been police called in, to protect the Klan members not to arrest them.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 4:09:20 PM   
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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

I don't know what you think this table proves but it is pretty damning proof of how unlevel the playing field is.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 4:36:14 PM   
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I did watch the video. 

You did?
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Where is the terror? No one is running. No one is cowering or other wise indicating fear. As a matter of fact someone clearly states "everything's fine" to the cameraman's breathless inquiry.

The entire incident has been completely blown out of proprtion up by FauxNews.

No matter what nothing the NPP does or says is justification for continued anti black bigotry.


There aren't many people out there, actually, but I would feel very uncomfortable if I was walking up there.  Anyone who says they're just there on an afternoon stroll is either an idiot or completely and totally blind.  He is carrying a weapon.  They both look very intimidating, and after watching the other videos with him as the lead, he's not someone I'd want to go near in any capacity. 

A girlfriend of mine works the polls, and she would have called the cops on them. Just sayin'. 


I've served as a poll worker in the past and your gf would be wrong. False police statement felony wrong.

They weren't electioneering. Until and unless they actually threatened someone overtly they had as much legal right to be present as anyone else.


If you feel threatened, you have every right to call the police.  If the KKK had been standing out there with the batons, shit would have hit the fan.  Don't tell me that's bullshit. It's not. 


Since you asked so nicely. BULLSHIT.

Feeling threatened is not sufficient cause to have someone arrested. There has to be an overt act.

If Klan members had been standing in front of a polling place in south Philly holding nightsticks there would have been police called in, to protect the Klan members not to arrest them.


I never said anything about arrest.  I said calling the police. 


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 5:33:55 PM   
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Of course they are scary.All three of them.

But they don`t rate all the bugaboo.

And it`s fucking wrong to use these three nuts to say the government is racially biased.

That`s a hot button issue that`s being exploited in the ugliest way by republicans who know better.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:05:01 PM   
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I never said anything about arrest.  I said calling the police. 

You call the police and expect what to happen? Try calling the police to report nothing and see what that gets you.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:18:56 PM   
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Great another fucking story from someone saying they are white and oppressed by being a "minority" . Will the comedy ever end?

You don't think that being a member of the LGBT community makes a person a minority?



Not saying that at all. She was coming at me as a "white" person not a person of the LGBT community


Seriously?



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Maybe you should.  It may draw your attention to her screen name.  Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "boi".


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:21:00 PM   
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Black folk, make up your fuckin minds what you wanna be called or we're gonna go back to calling you people "negros".

While we're at it, how is "colored" that much fuckin different than "people of color"?

I refuse to call you all "African-Americans" because not all of you have heritage in country existing within the continent of Africa.

White folk are happy being called white folk. Now get with the damned program.

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Just to confirm. Yes, you are a racist.

Just to confirm.  Yes, you are a racist.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:31:29 PM   
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How hard is this? To the best of your ability, you call people what they want to be called. Mrs. or Miss or Ms. There are Female Doms on here who prefer to be called Master. If I forget, I kind of expect them to mention it, then forgive and move on - and I do my best. I prefer to be called by my full length given first name, but sometimes people forget - esp parents, sisters, old childhood friends - and call me by the dimunitive. I don't get all pissy about it. I don't tell my brother that if he keeps insisting on being called Stacy while in drag and Mr. the rest of the time, I'm gonna just start calling him whatever I think might insult him. I knwo it gets annoying when you are in college - but it is really not that big a deal in life.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:34:31 PM   
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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:40:52 PM   
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Maybe you should.  It may draw your attention to her screen name.  Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "boi".



DYB has a point - Jen made the comparison "why aren't blacks happy being called black when white people are happy being called white" rather than "why aren't blacks happy being called black when lesbians are happy being called lesbians."

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:47:54 PM   
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Yet calling them Brown people isnt acceptable either. when it is clearly what they are.. but when it comes to the point where we have to re-write nursery rhymes like Baa Baa Black sheep, and rename that centuries old classroom tool the Black board because it may offend someone??  now THAT is where the real bull shit is.

I hear you.  This makes me remember something from the past.  As a child in California, I loved going to a restaurant called Sambos.  The story of "little black Sambo" was all over the walls and stuff, a wonderful little thing for us kids...a story of kindness.  African Americans protested and eventually all the fun disappeared and it became just another boring, neutered place.
 
The irony?  Sambo wasn't African American.
He was Indian...as in from freaking INDIA.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 6:48:33 PM   
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Is "lipstick lesbian" a demeaning term?

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