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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:34:10 AM   
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Now you are just telling stupid lies, Basiji.


I was agreeing with you rich,...

Why so defensive?




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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:38:08 AM   
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Then all words are fine then? So I assume you'd tell Phoebe Prince , kids like her and her parents to just grow some and get over it. Day after day those 9 throwing just words at her. What was her problem.?....I mean it isn't your place to make an assumption about how and why someone is using a certain word in any given situation .....In your mind she should have just gotten over it? No big deal, they are just words.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:39:20 AM   
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Jen,it goes deeper than any dictionary can teach.

It has to be lived.How names are defined now will change.

How you see them will change over time.





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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:47:14 AM   
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Then all words are fine then? So I assume you'd tell Phoebe Prince , kids like her and her parents to just grow some and get over it. Day after day those 9 throwing just words at her. What was her problem.?....I mean it isn't your place to make an assumption about how and why someone is using a certain word in any given situation .....In your mind she should have just gotten over it? No big deal, they are just words.


A child killing themselves is on the adults involved...or in some cases not involved. Not words.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:56:09 AM   
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Jen,it goes deeper than any dictionary can teach.

It has to be lived.How names are defined now will change.

How you see them will change over time.



See? This is where the assumption is. The assumption is that the OP (me in this case) hasn't experienced prejudice to the point of pain because of the stance they (I) have taken on the subject.

I was one of two white kids in an entire neighborhood as a child...the other was my younger brother. Guess who got "oppressed" and got their asses kicked? It wasn't the black kids swinging their fists. So if you think I don't turn around ready to fight when I hear "yo, cracker!"...you made an assumption. If you don't think this an example of racism, then you haven't been paying attention.

My father is a homophobe. No joke, it freaks his shit out enough to become violent. Broke my nose...more than once. There's a reason I haven't spoken to the man since I left home...and hit a children's shelter, refusing to go back. If you don't think that my initial reaction to hearing "dyke!" down the street is to turn around ready to fight, then you're wrong.  I've already lived it.

What I got from those experiences and the experiences of hearing words like "breeder", used negatively, is that some people are duchebags and use words as a warning for future intent. What I got from spending time making friends with individuals of all races, backgrounds, sexual orientations is that those hate filled mother fuckers are the minority these days and that words are words. It's not the words that hurt, it's the people using them with the intent to hurt.

boi

BTW for those who aren't familiar with Florida history or culture. In Florida, "Cracker" is a historical term and is used frequently. The reason is because of the historical introduction of horses to the North American continent through the area now know as Florida. Because of materials made available the last known whip variation was developed here, in Florida, and horse ranchers were known for being heard for miles around, practicing their whip cracking at night. Hence, "Florida crackers".


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 7:59:54 AM   
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I would like to agree with Jen on the whole African American terminology.  My mother was born in Africa.  Northern Rhodesia which is now Zambia.  I have more right to label myself as African American, but frankly, that's just too damned much assumption on my part.  I'll stick with being called American.  How 'bout them apples?

Now, it isn't blacks' fault that their own people sold them to the Americans.  It isn't their fault that they were brought here and brutalized for many many many years.  It isn't their fault that they were treated like shit.  It isn't their fault that they were made to be less than human for a long, long time.  It is their fault that they have a militant group of black men running around terrorizing voters, acting like fools, and overall giving themselves a bad name.  THAT is why racism is still alive boys and girls.  Because people see those guys from the black panthers and freak out.  Whatever was ingrained in our white little brains decades ago to see that and be fearful, I don't know what it is, but it's still prevalent today.  When a group of people have massive deviance from where they want to go and be, they reprimand them.  Instead, a large group, or at least, that's what I see, of the black community, just stand there and go, "Well, I don't know if I agree with them or not, but the white man ain't gonna stop 'em 'cause that would be racist!"  The American government is scared shitless it seems, including Bush, Holder, and the entire DOJ, to do anything about that organization or any other.  They were bullying voters.  If the KKK did that, they'd be arrested and sentenced to hate crimes. 

I'm just sick and tired of the double standard.  Either you want to be treated equally or you want preferential treatment.  Either you get treated equally or you continue to breed racism, discrimination, resentment.  Most white people look at institutions like affirmative action and spit in disgust at being passed over by someone because of color of skin.  What was once supposed to ease the wounds of discrimination only bred more.

When the oppressors become the oppressed, they begin to resent, hate, and seethe.  Eventually, I think they'll get tired enough to fight back.  I don't think that that's a good idea. 



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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 8:01:46 AM   
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I for one do not think that you are racist. You are just asking a legitimate question.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 8:04:07 AM   
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I for one do not think that you are racist. You are just asking a legitimate question.


Ditto.  I meant to mention that. -Smiles.-


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 8:54:25 AM   
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Black folk, make up your fuckin minds what you wanna be called or we're gonna go back to calling you people "negros".

While we're at it, how is "colored" that much fuckin different than "people of color"?

I refuse to call you all "African-Americans" because not all of you have heritage in country existing within the continent of Africa.

White folk are happy being called white folk. Now get with the damned program.

boi



Just to confirm. Yes, you are a racist.


No, she isn't, but you have never met her, so I don't expect you to know that.


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 10:18:02 AM   
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I would like to agree with Jen on the whole African American terminology.  My mother was born in Africa.  Northern Rhodesia which is now Zambia.  I have more right to label myself as African American, but frankly, that's just too damned much assumption on my part.  I'll stick with being called American.  How 'bout them apples?

That explains a lot.

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It is their fault that they have a militant group of black men running around terrorizing voters, acting like fools, and overall giving themselves a bad name.  THAT is why racism is still alive boys and girls.  Because people see those guys from the black panthers and freak out.  Whatever was ingrained in our white little brains decades ago to see that and be fearful, I don't know what it is, but it's still prevalent today. When a group of people have massive deviance from where they want to go and be, they reprimand them. Instead, a large group, or at least, that's what I see, of the black community, just stand there and go, "Well, I don't know if I agree with them or not, but the white man ain't gonna stop 'em 'cause that would be racist!" The American government is scared shitless it seems, including Bush, Holder, and the entire DOJ, to do anything about that organization or any other. They were bullying voters. If the KKK did that, they'd be arrested and sentenced to hate crimes.
 
This has to be one of the most profoundly wrong things ever written on this board. Racism is not the fault of all of any "racial" group no matter whether some members of those groups are racist.

As to terrorizing voters you need to look at that video again. No one except the instigators are paying any attention to the Black Panthers. If you think people are terrorized by a guy standing around holding a nightstick then you might want to go to Israel and see what being terrorized actually looks like.

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I'm just sick and tired of the double standard.  Either you want to be treated equally or you want preferential treatment.  Either you get treated equally or you continue to breed racism, discrimination, resentment.  Most white people look at institutions like affirmative action and spit in disgust at being passed over by someone because of color of skin.  What was once supposed to ease the wounds of discrimination only bred more.

When the oppressors become the oppressed, they begin to resent, hate, and seethe.  Eventually, I think they'll get tired enough to fight back.  I don't think that that's a good idea. 

Double standard?

"white" names more likely to be interviewed than "black" names.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

After routine traffic stops blacks are more likely to have their car searched than whites.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp02.pdf

Any white person who claims to be oppressed on account of their racial identity in this country has no idea what oppression really is.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 10:40:46 AM   
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Then all words are fine then? So I assume you'd tell Phoebe Prince , kids like her and her parents to just grow some and get over it. Day after day those 9 throwing just words at her. What was her problem.?....I mean it isn't your place to make an assumption about how and why someone is using a certain word in any given situation .....In your mind she should have just gotten over it? No big deal, they are just words.


A child killing themselves is on the adults involved...or in some cases not involved. Not words.

boi



And if you actually believe that you are one fucked up individual. Please stay where the fuck you are.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 10:43:55 AM   
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Jen,it goes deeper than any dictionary can teach.

It has to be lived.How names are defined now will change.

How you see them will change over time.



See? This is where the assumption is. The assumption is that the OP (me in this case) hasn't experienced prejudice to the point of pain because of the stance they (I) have taken on the subject.

I was one of two white kids in an entire neighborhood as a child...the other was my younger brother. Guess who got "oppressed" and got their asses kicked? It wasn't the black kids swinging their fists. So if you think I don't turn around ready to fight when I hear "yo, cracker!"...you made an assumption. If you don't think this an example of racism, then you haven't been paying attention.

My father is a homophobe. No joke, it freaks his shit out enough to become violent. Broke my nose...more than once. There's a reason I haven't spoken to the man since I left home...and hit a children's shelter, refusing to go back. If you don't think that my initial reaction to hearing "dyke!" down the street is to turn around ready to fight, then you're wrong.  I've already lived it.

What I got from those experiences and the experiences of hearing words like "breeder", used negatively, is that some people are duchebags and use words as a warning for future intent. What I got from spending time making friends with individuals of all races, backgrounds, sexual orientations is that those hate filled mother fuckers are the minority these days and that words are words. It's not the words that hurt, it's the people using them with the intent to hurt.

boi

BTW for those who aren't familiar with Florida history or culture. In Florida, "Cracker" is a historical term and is used frequently. The reason is because of the historical introduction of horses to the North American continent through the area now know as Florida. Because of materials made available the last known whip variation was developed here, in Florida, and horse ranchers were known for being heard for miles around, practicing their whip cracking at night. Hence, "Florida crackers".



Great another fucking story from someone saying they are white and oppressed by being a "minority" . Will the comedy ever end?

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 10:47:23 AM   
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I would like to agree with Jen on the whole African American terminology.  My mother was born in Africa.  Northern Rhodesia which is now Zambia.  I have more right to label myself as African American, but frankly, that's just too damned much assumption on my part.  I'll stick with being called American.  How 'bout them apples?

Now, it isn't blacks' fault that their own people sold them to the Americans.  It isn't their fault that they were brought here and brutalized for many many many years.  It isn't their fault that they were treated like shit.  It isn't their fault that they were made to be less than human for a long, long time.  It is their fault that they have a militant group of black men running around terrorizing voters, acting like fools, and overall giving themselves a bad name.  THAT is why racism is still alive boys and girls.  Because people see those guys from the black panthers and freak out.  Whatever was ingrained in our white little brains decades ago to see that and be fearful, I don't know what it is, but it's still prevalent today.  When a group of people have massive deviance from where they want to go and be, they reprimand them.  Instead, a large group, or at least, that's what I see, of the black community, just stand there and go, "Well, I don't know if I agree with them or not, but the white man ain't gonna stop 'em 'cause that would be racist!"  The American government is scared shitless it seems, including Bush, Holder, and the entire DOJ, to do anything about that organization or any other.  They were bullying voters.  If the KKK did that, they'd be arrested and sentenced to hate crimes. 

I'm just sick and tired of the double standard.  Either you want to be treated equally or you want preferential treatment.  Either you get treated equally or you continue to breed racism, discrimination, resentment.  Most white people look at institutions like affirmative action and spit in disgust at being passed over by someone because of color of skin.  What was once supposed to ease the wounds of discrimination only bred more.

When the oppressors become the oppressed, they begin to resent, hate, and seethe.  Eventually, I think they'll get tired enough to fight back.  I don't think that that's a good idea. 




And just like dear ole mom you probably think Apartheid is something that should be imported here. I've read a lot of fucked up things here...but that one I think gets first prize. Fucked up enough to believe any of your own bullshit?

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 10:56:18 AM   
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Then all words are fine then? So I assume you'd tell Phoebe Prince , kids like her and her parents to just grow some and get over it. Day after day those 9 throwing just words at her. What was her problem.?....I mean it isn't your place to make an assumption about how and why someone is using a certain word in any given situation .....In your mind she should have just gotten over it? No big deal, they are just words.


A child killing themselves is on the adults involved...or in some cases not involved. Not words.

boi



And if you actually believe that you are one fucked up individual. Please stay where the fuck you are.


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:01:22 AM   
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White folk are happy being called white folk. Now get with the damned program.


There are no groups that still like to call themselves Italian-American, Irish-American, and such?  I remember it being pointed out the Jindal was Indian-American during the Louisiana Governor's election

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:03:18 AM   
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I would like to agree with Jen on the whole African American terminology.  My mother was born in Africa.  Northern Rhodesia which is now Zambia.  I have more right to label myself as African American, but frankly, that's just too damned much assumption on my part.  I'll stick with being called American.  How 'bout them apples?

Now, it isn't blacks' fault that their own people sold them to the Americans.  It isn't their fault that they were brought here and brutalized for many many many years.  It isn't their fault that they were treated like shit.  It isn't their fault that they were made to be less than human for a long, long time.  It is their fault that they have a militant group of black men running around terrorizing voters, acting like fools, and overall giving themselves a bad name.  THAT is why racism is still alive boys and girls.  Because people see those guys from the black panthers and freak out.  Whatever was ingrained in our white little brains decades ago to see that and be fearful, I don't know what it is, but it's still prevalent today.  When a group of people have massive deviance from where they want to go and be, they reprimand them.  Instead, a large group, or at least, that's what I see, of the black community, just stand there and go, "Well, I don't know if I agree with them or not, but the white man ain't gonna stop 'em 'cause that would be racist!"  The American government is scared shitless it seems, including Bush, Holder, and the entire DOJ, to do anything about that organization or any other.  They were bullying voters.  If the KKK did that, they'd be arrested and sentenced to hate crimes. 

I'm just sick and tired of the double standard.  Either you want to be treated equally or you want preferential treatment.  Either you get treated equally or you continue to breed racism, discrimination, resentment.  Most white people look at institutions like affirmative action and spit in disgust at being passed over by someone because of color of skin.  What was once supposed to ease the wounds of discrimination only bred more.

When the oppressors become the oppressed, they begin to resent, hate, and seethe.  Eventually, I think they'll get tired enough to fight back.  I don't think that that's a good idea. 




And just like dear ole mom you probably think Apartheid is something that should be imported here. I've read a lot of fucked up things here...but that one I think gets first prize. Fucked up enough to believe any of your own bullshit?


No, I don't believe that at all.  All I'm saying is that maybe people should stop pointing fingers at the "white man" and start looking at themselves to blame.  Or rather, not so much blame, but responsibility.  The history of this country is gruesome and awful.  Between the massive abuses to the then African Americans and to the American Indians, our history is a dark one.  I won't deny that.  I won't even try because I'd be a fool if I did. 

When my father was in high school, he would call one of his best friends nego or nigga.  It was acceptable, at least in high school, for white men to call blacks nigga, negro, brother, etc.  Nowadays, the term nigger, nigga, negro, etc. is used in a very different way by blacks, but when a white person says it, it's racist.  The lines of acceptance are skewed.  People/persons of color is taken as offensive by others, and to others, it's racist to call blacks anything other than person/people of color.  As a white person, I am constantly in fear of offending someone of a minority group because the terms I use are incorrect or construed as racist when I know in my heart that I am very much NOT racist. 

Maybe you think I am because I don't cowtow to what you feel is acceptable.  Maybe you think I am because I expect that the rude, disrespectful behavior or an organization that should stand for black empowerment and NOT racism, should be held responsible.  I'll have to hunt down those links I posted on the other thread if need be.  Maybe you think I am simply because I am white and I have to be racist because I am white.  I don't know what to tell you. 


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:03:39 AM   
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Great another fucking story from someone saying they are white and oppressed by being a "minority" . Will the comedy ever end?


Says the black guy.

What about the fact that black men gained voting rights before women don't you get? What about the fact that women still earn less than men (black and white), don't you get? What about the fact that until 1986, the VA did not have *any* facilities to treat the needs of female soldiers, don't you get?

Please, the "No one knows what it's like to be oppressed but black folk" bullshit is tiresome. There *are* other minorities in the world that have and still do face greater hardships than black folks in America.

boi

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:05:07 AM   
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Great another fucking story from someone saying they are white and oppressed by being a "minority" . Will the comedy ever end?

You don't think that being a member of the LGBT community makes a person a minority?


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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:05:13 AM   
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Come on now..Don't confuse her with reality...She is doing just fine in the her lil world.

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RE: I am not a racist. - 7/13/2010 11:08:02 AM   
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Great another fucking story from someone saying they are white and oppressed by being a "minority" . Will the comedy ever end?

You don't think that being a member of the LGBT community makes a person a minority?



LadyPact, let's not get into the politics of the general LGBT community having rather strong, hard feelings about those of us into SM. Hell, going to regular pride has a 50/50 chance of turning into a riot if they put us Leatherfolk next to the militant lesbians.

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