Aynne88
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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 "I didn't pay much attention", that means you have no idea, correct? You just want things to fit your box. I know too many people from Boston and New York who will still tell you they are Italian or Irish. have any of them actually been to either? No, but that doesn't change their view. Also highly racist, but that's a different discussion. Never once in visiting New York did I have someone exclaim to me that they are "Italian-American". I am the third generation of American from an Irish family (the Keeleys, formerly O'Keeleys, but getting a job was easier without the "O'", cousins to the Kellys-so I'm told). And not a damn one of us, blond or red headed, drunk or sober, in Georgia or New Jersey, have an inkling to call ourself "Irish-Americans" because, damnit we're Americans. No, it's not about fitting into my neat little box. It's about my experience. My experience tells me that groups from other ethnic backgrounds like their food the way they like their food but treasure being 100% American and don't have a need to call out being "discriminated" against or finding another damned thing wrong with their now politically correct term of identification. Neat how it works out to dismiss a person's conclusions from actual experience as racism. boi edited...Irish-mother's side You are kidding right? No I know you aren't, but having lived in Boston and been to NY a zillion times, there are more Irish-American groups, parades, events, etc., than I can shake a stick at. Boston is huge for it's Irish-American pride, and I don't know any Irish-Americans that *don't* refer to themselves as such on a lot of occasions. Jesus christ, half of Americans wear "kiss me I'm Irish" pins on St. Patty's day. I also was married to a Korean-American, yes he was born in Seoul, and trust me, your theory about not mentioning their heritage and proudly proclaiming to be "just American" is a fucking fairy tale. He didn't "treasure" being 100% American while being called chink, or gook, or asking if he ate dog from the half wits we encountered in our many travels. Mainly in the redder southern states. *no offense* I also have worked for and with a lot of other Asian people of varying ethnicities since my man (not my ex, my man now is white) is in the seafood business and we export tons of it to Japan, and China, etc., and they are less than enthralled with the jingoistic racist attitude of a lot of Americans. I am talking about Asians that were born and raised here, they don't want the "treasure being 100% American" label either. So, your experience isn't apparently as varied as mine, and I am sure it sucked for you as a kid, but having also spent my entire life being the daughter of a US soldier and traveling a lot, the ugly American thing? Yeah it still stands there too. When we can't discern how it's wrong to call black people nigger? We have a looong way to go. Lastly, as a feminist and a liberal white woman, let me tell ya, I wouldn't want to trade places in the discrimination challenge with any brown skinned male anytime soon. I am not stupid, I see the carte blanche my caucasian-ness gets me. I don't see how any white person can say without being intellectually dishonest that they face any amount of racism in comparison.
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