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Julia,there's not much there that one can argue against.....but since I am who I am...I came up with something.
How can you,or anyone actually ,have already decided and absolute position such as this.....tell me what you will do if come Nov.of '12 your choice is Palin or Obama(I know this is highly unlikely...the Republicans aren't that stupid)improbable as that might be....by imposing an absolute litmus test of socialized healthcare,with a public option.....you have left yourself no option.
Add to that the fact that achieving that goal was never actually possible....seems to me such a viewpoint is not only unrealistic.....but unreasonable!

I am a registered Green....

I voted for Obama because I was hopeful that he would bring our troops home, do something about our problems. I do not vote against people, I vote for them....

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.

I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.

Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?

Perhaps the cost?

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You don't win elections without us Independants.

If you're an Independent then I must be Sarah Palin's twin brother.

Can't refute the message so desparage the messenger, eh? Sad, but typical.

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It's going to cost most people more thanks to Obamacare.

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What was it that encouraged you to vote Bush, slowmindedJim?  Was it the bankruptcy, the fact that he left his state in sorry fiscal shape?  Clue us the fuck in.

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He has sold out each platform he ran on. He ran for the center as soon as he was elected. The only promise he kept was about the one thing I was against, which was escalating our involvement in Afghanistan

He didn't do effective healthcare reform

He didn't close Guantanamo

Don't ask don't tell is still on the books

Wall Street reform has no teeth

He keeps trying to seem "nonpartisan", which believe it or not, the American people ARE partisan against republicans at this point... he squandered his mandate by kissing republican ass and letting them call the shots

I told myself if he did not get socialized healthcare reform in this country with a public option I wasn't voting for him again... I'm not

We, the 46% who realized who/what Obama was BEFORE election day, repeatedly warned you about Obama BEFORE the election but you were too kool-aid impaired to hear us.

How's it feel to be run over by the Obama bus? LOL

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Since you say you vote for people not against them, please explain how you could vote for someone (Obama) who ran as far and fast as he could from his own record and as hard as he could against his opponents records? Hopefully you've learned not to allow someone to bamboozle you with false hopes and empty promises like Obama obviously did.

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Perhaps the cost?

I am a graduate student. They have a clinic on campus. If I get something they consider a "chronic" condition they will not treat me. I have to pay for this out of my tuition. I would rather take that money and put it into a real health insurance policy. As it is I would have to go without food if I wanted health insurance because I am a single female on the open market. Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance... I can't imagine what it would be if I had high blood pressure or diabetes....

I am living on student loans and grants, I can't afford a car and I take the bus where I need to go... and I rent, I have no homeowners insurance...


The point is there is a significant number of uninsured in this country, for many different reasons... why I would be asked to defend the fact I lack it is really unbelievable to me.... it is a make or break thing for me in my vote precisely because I do not think medical care is a luxury.

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Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?

It must be nice to be employed and have enough money to eat, pay your mortgage, and your health insurance... millions lack your good fortune

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

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Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?

It must be nice to be employed and have enough money to eat, pay your mortgage, and your health insurance... millions lack your good fortune

And it must be nice to be in graduate school on student loand and government grants...millions more lack the good fortune to attend college, much less graduate school.

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

Exactly. And an ever-increasing majority of people who voted for Obama on no value higher than their own self-interest have gotten exactly what they voted for...thrown under the bus by someone with no value higher than his own self-interest.

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

I vote based upon what I believe is right...

Which is why I will probably vote Green next time. Now you can make that about "selfish interests" and I suppose if Greens had a chance, that might fit... but since the Greens aren't winning, you really can't paint my voting decision based upon selfishness.