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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 2:49:32 PM

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Do you mean the increased support for nationalist-tending-towards-fascist movements?

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 2:57:59 PM

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...exactly WHO is being discriminated against. In my short time on this forum, i can't even begin to count how many time i've heard that affirmative action is rasict. But nobody ever says which ethnic group is being discriminated against as a result. Anybody care to shed some light on the situation? A note: I know the lot of you can become quite passionate during discussion- but can we try not to bash each other in the process?

The person is is better qualified for the position or educational opportunity, yet doesn't get it.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 3:53:09 PM

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Merit based pay, vouchers and eliminate tenure. Its not that hard.

Well, yes, those things would greatly improve the public schools.

Removing the two-parent black family from the endangered species list is another problem, and yet another 0bama0 failure.
He could and should speak frequently and eloquently about the self-inflicted wounds the black community suffers as a result of teenage pregnancies and single-parent households. It's one of the few areas the man has any experience from which to teach. But he does not....

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 4:03:47 PM

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Merit based pay, vouchers and eliminate tenure. Its not that hard.

Well, yes, those things would greatly improve the public schools.

Removing the two-parent black family from the endangered species list is another problem, and yet another 0bama0 failure.
He could and should speak frequently and eloquently about the self-inflicted wounds the black community suffers as a result of teenage pregnancies and single-parent households. It's one of the few areas the man has any experience from which to teach. But he does not....

Of course not. He would alienate a large percentage of his voting bloc.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 4:36:53 PM

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There has to be a time limit on affirmative action, you simply can't have it going on for generation after generation, decade after decade.
It was supposed to be a "hand up" not a hand out.

About a hundred years from emancipation till a.a with neglible progress. Maybe a hundred years of a.a. and there may be some meaningful progress. But unless and until attitudes like yours change a.a. will stay.
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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 4:37:53 PM

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Of course not. He would alienate a large percentage of his voting bloc.

Yup. Do what's right or pander to "your" voters.
This is one of the few ares where I agree with those who say: "They're all the same".
Most of them are, in fact, gutless bastards; not just 0bama0.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 4:46:42 PM

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Do you mean the increased support for nationalist-tending-towards-fascist movements?

Is that code for pulling back on some of their most liberal social and socialist economic policies?

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 5:03:34 PM

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Do you mean the increased support for nationalist-tending-towards-fascist movements?

Is that code for pulling back on some of their most liberal social and socialist economic policies?

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Is that code for pulling back on some of their most liberal social and socialist economic policies?

Well, isn't that what it feels like to you too????

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 5:46:38 PM

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Do you mean the increased support for nationalist-tending-towards-fascist movements?

Is that code for pulling back on some of their most liberal social and socialist economic policies?

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Is that code for pulling back on some of their most liberal social and socialist economic policies?

Well, isn't that what it feels like to you too????

No...it feels like theve actually started to learn that socialist policies are unsustainable and that catering to the lowest common denominator in their society is a cancer that they have to eradicate. Its a shame that our administration is too fucking blind to learn from their lessons.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/24/2010 6:24:26 PM

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No...it feels like theve actually started to learn that socialist policies are unsustainable and that catering to the lowest common denominator in their society is a cancer that they have to eradicate. Its a shame that our administration is too fucking blind to learn from their lessons.

So your position is that the government should only be responsive to the most rich and powerful and fuck the rest...what the fuck are you doing in my country?
Have you ever thought about reading the constitution of my country?

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 9:40:20 AM

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I will answer the OP's question with pesonal experience.
I applied with the Dept of Natural Resources in the FL keys as I was getting out of grad school in Marine Biology. After meeting with the folks, the interviewer looked me right in the eye and said "You are the most qualified entry level candidate I have seen in years but I cant hire you because of your race, this job is tied to affirmative action." I even went so far as to call a black friend that I had gone to school with to tell him about it but he had already taken a position in Seattle (near his home) That guy was the ONLY black biologist I have ever known. The job went unfilled.

The bottom line is this. If a person is denied a job because of race, the program is RACIST.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 10:25:24 AM

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Removing the two-parent black family from the endangered species list is another problem, and yet another 0bama0 failure.
He could and should speak frequently and eloquently about the self-inflicted wounds the black community suffers as a result of teenage pregnancies and single-parent households. It's one of the few areas the man has any experience from which to teach. But he does not....

Some of the things I read on here absolutely astound me.

Then again, I think you are another of Willbeur's sock puppets so I guess it isn't that surprising after all.

While I agree that my particular combination of insight, wit, and creative writing sometimes surpasses the merely amazing and reaches the level of astounding, do you care to share exactly what moved you to such eloquence?

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 12:00:58 PM

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I will answer the OP's question with pesonal experience.
I applied with the Dept of Natural Resources in the FL keys as I was getting out of grad school in Marine Biology. After meeting with the folks, the interviewer looked me right in the eye and said "You are the most qualified entry level candidate I have seen in years but I cant hire you because of your race, this job is tied to affirmative action." I even went so far as to call a black friend that I had gone to school with to tell him about it but he had already taken a position in Seattle (near his home) That guy was the ONLY black biologist I have ever known. The job went unfilled.

The bottom line is this. If a person is denied a job because of race, the program is RACIST.

You have actively done this rant in favor of non white people all of your life I am sure
Now that you are getting a tiny taste of it you find it most distressing..."I feel your pain"

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 1:33:59 PM

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I will answer the OP's question with pesonal experience.
I applied with the Dept of Natural Resources in the FL keys as I was getting out of grad school in Marine Biology. After meeting with the folks, the interviewer looked me right in the eye and said "You are the most qualified entry level candidate I have seen in years but I cant hire you because of your race, this job is tied to affirmative action." I even went so far as to call a black friend that I had gone to school with to tell him about it but he had already taken a position in Seattle (near his home) That guy was the ONLY black biologist I have ever known. The job went unfilled.

The bottom line is this. If a person is denied a job because of race, the program is RACIST.

Just wondering, william. How many Blacks were enrolled in Marine Biology grad courses nationwide the year you graduated? Not many I would bet. Can you spell s y s t e m i c racism?

AA was an historic effort to reverse 100 years of Jim Crow segregation. So, a few of the privileged class were deprived. I could tell you a similar story but i just shrugged and went on with my life. There were plenty of opportunities for us white dudes. I imagine you found yours. The work is not finished imo. But nothing is perfect.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 3:12:01 PM

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...exactly WHO is being discriminated against. In my short time on this forum, i can't even begin to count how many time i've heard that affirmative action is rasict. But nobody ever says which ethnic group is being discriminated against as a result. Anybody care to shed some light on the situation? A note: I know the lot of you can become quite passionate during discussion- but can we try not to bash each other in the process?

The person is is better qualified for the position or educational opportunity, yet doesn't get it.

Firm

Have you any examples you can cite to prove that this hypothetical person actually exists?

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 4:25:18 PM

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Meh I think it would be cool if Obama spoke about that too. 70% of black kids are born out of wedlock and that's really fucking bad.

Someone on a sexually explicit kink site is offended by out of wedlock pregnancy...someone needs to alert the press.
Or is this just your attempt at subtle racism cloaked in moral outrage...someone needs a spanking and not the fun kind

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 4:29:57 PM

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Someone on a sexually explicit kink site is offended by out of wedlock pregnancy...someone needs to alert the press.
Or is this just your attempt at subtle racism cloaked in moral outrage...someone needs a spanking and not the fun kind

Dude I don't get "offended" by social statistics.

If you think that kids in single parent households have anywhere near the same advantage of kids in stable two parent households you're crazy.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 4:35:05 PM

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Someone on a sexually explicit kink site is offended by out of wedlock pregnancy...someone needs to alert the press.
Or is this just your attempt at subtle racism cloaked in moral outrage...someone needs a spanking and not the fun kind

Dude I don't get "offended" by social statistics.

Dudette you certainly seem "offended".

If you think that kids in single parent households have anywhere near the same advantage of kids in stable two parent households you're crazy.

If you think that kids who live in poverty have anywhere near the same advantage of kids who are not living in poverty you are crazy.

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 4:38:48 PM

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Dude I don't get "offended" by social statistics.

Dudette you certainly seem "offended".

If you think that kids in single parent households have anywhere near the same advantage of kids in stable two parent households you're crazy.

If you think that kids who live in poverty have anywhere near the same advantage of kids who are not living in poverty you are crazy.

1. wtf is your definition of offended?

2. kids in single parent households are more likely to live in poverty which was a large chunk of my original point

3. fix yo formatting bro

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RE: So if Affirmative Action is supposedly racist.... - 7/26/2010 4:43:16 PM

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I have not read all of the replies, but I will say that I beleive that there was a time that AA was needed, but that time is past. At this point in our history, we need to eliminate all references to race when making decisions.. about anything.

I am from a place that was mostly white. Some minorities but very few black people. The local plants would hire any black person on the spot because they had to. (within reason, they still had to pass physicals and drug tests) They even asked these few people if they knew of others that would like a nice plant job..becuase they really had to. My sister married one of these people offered a job, so that is how I know.

I feel this way about unions too...!

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