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truckinslave -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:17:54 PM)

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What is it then?


It's the coming religious war.
Like the housing/mortgage collapse, most willfully refuse to see it coming.
The sky really is falling, the wolves really are inside the fences.




juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:23:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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What is it then?


It's the coming religious war.
Like the housing/mortgage collapse, most willfully refuse to see it coming.
The sky really is falling, the wolves really are inside the fences.


It is not a religious war... it is what happens in a Neo Liberalized economy....the haves get everything at the expense of the have-nots




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:26:19 PM)

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It's the coming religious war.
Like the housing/mortgage collapse, most willfully refuse to see it coming.
The sky really is falling, the wolves really are inside the fences.


Then lets do something about those war-mongering conservative "Christians" before it's too late.




truckinslave -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:28:05 PM)

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It is not a religious war... it is what happens in a Neo Liberalized economy....the haves get everything at the expense of the have-nots


And then fly planes into skyscrapers.
And build nukes and missiles and rant about destroying Israel, and build a highway for the 12th Imam.
right.... a neo liberalized economy. [8|]




juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:28:08 PM)

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he wolves really are inside the fences.


Oh, and this portion... it reminds me of "Barbarians at the Gates"
... well the Barbarians wouldn't have shown up if Rome hadn't been an empire... think about it




jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:29:55 PM)

Lets face it, the right wing conservative fear mongers wont be happy until they have shoved christian dogma down everyone's throat...

Which of course will pretty much end the collarme community.




cuckoldmepls -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:31:19 PM)

Actually it proves he has no common sense and that he is a muslim himself. No true Christian would approve of this. Plus, City councils and mayors all the time decide what type of business or entity can be located in which area of town. One example is by limiting where porn shops and night clubs can be located. So it is constitutional to selectively decide where something can be located.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:31:43 PM)

Well that and cut taxes.

Because money is magic and just shows up when you wish hard enough.




truckinslave -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:32:09 PM)

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well the Barbarians wouldn't have shown up if Rome hadn't been an empire... think about it


didn't take long.
No matter how little you have, there are those who would steal it.
I prefer to have enough that there are a lot of people who would steal it.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:33:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Actually it proves he has no common sense and that he is a muslim himself. No true Christian would approve of this. Plus, City councils and mayors all the time decide what type of business or entity can be located in which area of town. One example is by limiting where porn shops and night clubs can be located. So it is constitutional to selectively decide where something can be located.

Show me where the Constitution covers zoning.

No true Christian would oppose it. Read the Bible someday. Some pretty good stuff in that New Testament.

That Jesus guy had his shit together.




juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 8:35:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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It is not a religious war... it is what happens in a Neo Liberalized economy....the haves get everything at the expense of the have-nots


And then fly planes into skyscrapers.
And build nukes and missiles and rant about destroying Israel, and build a highway for the 12th Imam.
right.... a neo liberalized economy. [8|]


Dude, that happened almost 10 years ago, can you really blame our economic collapse on this when banks are deregulated because of the "free market" and they played fast and loose with the rules? Look at who has gotten richer under these policies and who has lost out, the middle class, that is who. The poor are used to being made the scapegoat in the propaganda of class warfare, just saying, you are being played... wise up and see it




Owner59 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:27:56 PM)

"No true Christian would approve of this."


Jesus help us.




Vendaval -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:35:28 PM)

And you know what they thought and felt how exactly? Show your evidence.


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Fucking BUDDAH!

I wasn't wrong... I don't feel that way... I know they are Religions... I never said Islam or Buddism or Zorcasterism was a Cult. BUT THE SAME BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS WHO COUNTED SLAVES AS 3/5ths FELT THAT WAY!

so val... maybe you need to pick up a book and actually read about the men who founded the United States of America to see how they viewed the brown peoples of the world and thier religions before you tell me I am wrong about this.






pogo4pres -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:43:28 PM)


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Dude, that happened almost 10 years ago, can you really blame our economic collapse on this when banks are deregulated because of the "free market" and they played fast and loose with the rules? Look at who has gotten richer under these policies and who has lost out, the middle class, that is who. The poor are used to being made the scapegoat in the propaganda of class warfare, just saying, you are being played... wise up and see it


Julia they can and they do because Rush, and Hannity, and Beck, and Faux News tell them to.  It is really sad how ill informed, and willfully ignorant this nation has become.  Frank Zappa used to rail about this he was always bitching about the education system and the text books and said "some one is paying for this shit, follow the money" .


Really it would be uproariously funny were it not so sad.





Eruditely,
Some Knucklehead in NJ




juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:46:36 PM)

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Really it would be uproariously funny were it not so sad.


Which is why Stephen Colbert and John Stewart are doing so well




Vendaval -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:52:25 PM)

And of course there were these fine colonial gentlemen,

"Religious liberals, especially Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison, fought for and eventually attained religious freedom for minority denominations, atheists and non-Christian believers. According to the founding fathers, America should be a country where peoples of all faiths, including those who profess no religious belief, could live in peace and mutual benefit. Full religious liberty meant not only freedom of religion, but freedom from religion. James Madison summed up this ideal in his motto: "Conscience is the most sacred of all property.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment#cite_note-18

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

You are so wrong on this. Hinduism, Buddism, Judaism and Islam are all major world religions. Pick up any world religion text book at a college bookstore or do some basic research.

And in the "modern civilization" at the time slavery was still legal as was killing someone accused of witchcraft.




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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I did not not say the US was "founded" on Christianity but in the mindset of the Founders, Buddism, Hindusim, Islam... we're cults at best and not Religions at all and they did not place in their "modern civilzation" at the time.





He is saying that the Founders were so ignorant that they were unaware of these groups as "religions"... basically he thinks the Founders were illiterate rubes without a clue





FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:54:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

And you know what they thought and felt how exactly? Show your evidence.


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Fucking BUDDAH!

I wasn't wrong... I don't feel that way... I know they are Religions... I never said Islam or Buddism or Zorcasterism was a Cult. BUT THE SAME BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS WHO COUNTED SLAVES AS 3/5ths FELT THAT WAY!

so val... maybe you need to pick up a book and actually read about the men who founded the United States of America to see how they viewed the brown peoples of the world and thier religions before you tell me I am wrong about this.





Here val... not that you will read it:

The Theme is Freedom: Religion, Poliyics and the American Tradition, by M. Stanton Evans




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 9:58:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

And of course there were these fine colonial gentlemen,

"Religious liberals, especially Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison, fought for and eventually attained religious freedom for minority denominations, atheists and non-Christian believers. According to the founding fathers, America should be a country where peoples of all faiths, including those who profess no religious belief, could live in peace and mutual benefit. Full religious liberty meant not only freedom of religion, but freedom from religion. James Madison summed up this ideal in his motto: "Conscience is the most sacred of all property.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment#cite_note-18




I wonder if the wikipedia haters will attack this... but that's another thread.

Islam does not allow for Religious Freedom. Islam means submission.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 10:21:10 PM)

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Islam means submission


to God.

A few Christians might want to try it, instead of trying to be God.





thornhappy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 10:43:16 PM)

Yeah, and did you notice that the local boards and the mayor approved it?
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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Actually it proves he has no common sense and that he is a muslim himself. No true Christian would approve of this. Plus, City councils and mayors all the time decide what type of business or entity can be located in which area of town. One example is by limiting where porn shops and night clubs can be located. So it is constitutional to selectively decide where something can be located.




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