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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Whenever I see a statement like this I am reminded of how easily it goes from "I wish others would discard a belief" to "We should rid ourselves of this belief" to the final solution of "Those who have this belief and will not discard it should should be rounded up and forced to recant it or reeducated out of it"

Slippery slopes folks

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Whenever I see a statement like this I am reminded of how easily it goes from "I wish others would discard a belief" to "We should rid ourselves of this belief" to the final solution of "Those who have this belief and will not discard it should should be rounded up and forced to recant it or reeducated out of it"

Slippery slopes folks

Whenever I see a statement like this I am reminded of how easily slippery slope arguments turn into an informal fallacy.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Whenever I see a statement like this I am reminded of how easily it goes from "I wish others would discard a belief" to "We should rid ourselves of this belief" to the final solution of "Those who have this belief and will not discard it should should be rounded up and forced to recant it or reeducated out of it"

Slippery slopes folks

Whenever I see a statement like this I am reminded of how easily slippery slope arguments turn into an informal fallacy.

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I think the majority of people know this now and it’s time we speak up and rid ourselves of this irrational fairy tale we call religion which they use to pollute minds with lies like if you blow yourself up you go to heaven and will be with 50 virgins.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
The issue is what instrument you choose. They can and will point to works done in his name by the various religions involved as evidence that his will exists on earth and is empirically observable. To whit, the counter argument where God is held responsible for evil acts done by man falls flat in that the acts of man are not the acts of God.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
If we understood unequivocally the nature of the universe then all things would be possible...

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
The issue is what instrument you choose. They can and will point to works done in his name by the various religions involved as evidence that his will exists on earth and is empirically observable. To whit, the counter argument where God is held responsible for evil acts done by man falls flat in that the acts of man are not the acts of God.

You don't see any confirmation bias there?

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I REITERATE : "ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT", once the world as a whole can accept that then and only then will we manage to come together as a single species.  Until then I would appreciate it, if you religious types would recognize my right to this particular belief and leave it at that.

Now as a reminder nowhere did I attack anyone's beliefs or faith, let us see if those that believe can do the same in return.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I REITERATE : "ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT", once the world as a whole can accept that then and only then will we manage to come together as a single species.  Until then I would appreciate it, if you religious types would recognize my right to this particular belief and leave it at that.

Now as a reminder nowhere did I attack anyone's beliefs or faith, let us see if those that believe can do the same in return.

Why would I flame this? This is quite a different statement then we need to "rid" ourselves of religion. Language has power, it is much different to say that people SHOULD accept something, then it is to say we need to "rid" ourselves of something.

I am doing some fieldwork this semester with a group of human beings that fled their homeland because of the desire of their government to "rid" themselves of certain thoughts, and the people who harbored those thoughts. Ever hear of the Killing Fields?

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ORIGINAL: pogo4pres

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I REITERATE : "ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT", once the world as a whole can accept that then and only then will we manage to come together as a single species.  Until then I would appreciate it, if you religious types would recognize my right to this particular belief and leave it at that.

Now as a reminder nowhere did I attack anyone's beliefs or faith, let us see if those that believe can do the same in return.

Why would I flame this? This is quite a different statement then we need to "rid" ourselves of religion. Language has power, it is much different to say that people SHOULD accept something, then it is to say we need to "rid" ourselves of something.

I am doing some fieldwork this semester with a group of human beings that fled their homeland because of the desire of their government to "rid" themselves of certain thoughts, and the people who harbored those thoughts. Ever hear of the Killing Fields?

Julia I got lambasted for saying "I believe all religion is bullshit" in a different thread, and then again and yet another thread.  All the while I pointed out I do not deny anyone else their right to believe as they choose.  Nor do I stand in front of houses of worship and scream this at the top of my lungs.  But damn it, I am allowed to express my belief under the first amendment of the U.S. constitution, same as anyone else is.  I  don't force my belief system on others.  Now am I personally of the opinion the religion and believers in religion should be sent back to the catacombs to have to hide....not really.  I just wish the fundamentalists of all religions would be forced to do that though. 

My best buddy (a guy I think of as a brother, btw) is a hard core Irish Catholic, and I have had many an interesting religious discussion with him.  There have been some heated discussions, some rational discussions, and often calm discussions, the overriding tenor of those discussions is HONESTY, we are honest in our beliefs, and honest enough to not to try to convert the other.

If only the rest of the world could follow our example.


Again Religuliously,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

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This is quite a different statement then we need to "rid" ourselves of religion.

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Well time to get flamed again.

I REITERATE : "ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT", once the world as a whole can accept that then and only then will we manage to come together as a single species.  Until then I would appreciate it, if you religious types would recognize my right to this particular belief and leave it at that.

Now as a reminder nowhere did I attack anyone's beliefs or faith, let us see if those that believe can do the same in return.



Religuliously, (As in the Bill Maher movie title)
Some Knucklehead in NJ

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I have an intellectual starch blocker that prohibits my ingesting that.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
the acts of man are not the acts of God.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
They can and will point to works done in his name by the various religions involved as evidence that his will exists on earth and is empirically observable.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
To put it in my father's words, observing the acts of the followers can be interpreted as observing the influence of the deity.