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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

Assuming you feel as you do, and I think your veiw is a good one BTW, why could you not allow the OP their request and start a post of your own expressing your veiws? In this Forum we all have the right to start a thread. So how would starting your own thread as others often do when they do not want to hijack a thread, in anyway be a problem? Would that not allow the OP their own thread and get just the replies requested? And at the same time allow you to make all the points you would have made anyway? Is it too much trouble in someway to start a new thread?

Or is there some secret thread limit I am not aware of and we must keep threads down to some number. (joke)

MV

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

(Fast reply until I have the opportunity to read the content of the thread.)

Would you like to have the gender debate, the chromosome debate, or the lifestyle debate? 

I have said this multiple times when this discussion has entered this particular forum before.  I am a person who practices the leather lifestyle.  Unlike the Gorean lifestyle, the title of Master is not one held by men alone.  This is something that is a significant difference between us.  In the leather lifestyle, it is a title that can be held by a man or a woman.  In fact, our protocols have much more to do with experience in living this way.  Not whether someone has a penis or not, but rather how long they have successfully run their M/s dynamics in their authority.  Even amongst Master's themselves, that is what determines whether one is junior or senior to another.  Our protocols specifically state that gender is not to be a factor when showing courtesy and respect for each other.

There may not be as many leather people on these boards as there once were.  That does not make our lifestyle any more or less valid than anyone else's.  I probably hold higher requirements for Myself in the title than a heck of a lot of people on these boards do. 

I was granted My Master's Cap by the leather community in April of 2008 with My husband and My side and My boy at My feet.  It wasn't something that I asked for and truthfully, most people who receive one don't think it is something they deserve.  My leather family and community thought that I did.  I'm not going to disrespect their opinion for some random message board.

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran


Every time someone starts a thread they are "forcing" the Mods to watch the thread. And I can understand you feeling like being asked to withhold comment is in some way rude. But when you want to try and understand why a Master does something. You ask a Master. A slave or sub might think they know, they might even be right, but you dont ask a Lawyer how to fix your plumbing. You call a Plumber. But of course this is not the point really. The point was simply that having a right to reply as you will does not make replying the right answer. You feel they have no right to even ask this. If that is your belief fine. I made my point, you disagree.

MV

Then what about all of us who operate from both sides? Don't you believe that we are able to offer anything from either a dominant or submissive point of view?

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

Assuming you feel as you do, and I think your veiw is a good one BTW, why could you not allow the OP their request and start a post of your own expressing your veiws? In this Forum we all have the right to start a thread. So how would starting your own thread as others often do when they do not want to hijack a thread, in anyway be a problem? Would that not allow the OP their own thread and get just the replies requested? And at the same time allow you to make all the points you would have made anyway? Is it too much trouble in someway to start a new thread?

Or is there some secret thread limit I am not aware of and we must keep threads down to some number. (joke)

MV

Collarme owns the site.  That means that they get server space, implement code on it, get paid advertising to support the site, have mods police the site, etc.  They own the site, they make the rules, and I abide by them.

Another user has as much validity in my eyes as I do.  if they specify that Doms cannot reply to their post, I may honor it or I may not - it's not like the site itself made that request.

Let me put this another way.  If a restaurant decides to put aside separate areas for people who order burgers, another for those who order pizza, etc., that's odd but I'll respect that.  If a patron decides to do the exact same thing and only allow burger eaters in a section of the restaurant, I'll tell them to go to hell.

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ORIGINAL: mstrjx

To the OP,

What would happen if it were decided that, in this rant about rights, that you weren't right?

Now would you please put on a shirt? You're creeping me out.

Jeff

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

Most of the responders seem to feel even asking this question in some way hurts them. Obviously for those, we will simply disagree.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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I certainly did notice that. Yet if it turns out that doing something a different way was better or would have been better, does it invalidate a request to do it differently?

Request? Funny, I didn't see a request in that particular OP, I saw a rude demand that a certain segment of the board not reply. It is also worth noting that the OP was about the very people that were 'requested' not to post. To me, that is the height of rudeness. Were I to start a thread saying that I think Goreans are ridiculous for structuring their lives around a bunch of fantasy books and ended said OP with, "I won't bother replying to Goreans. I am not interested in your opinion" would that not be extremely rude? Would your polite nature preclude you from posting a rebuttal?

Many times, the reaction one gets to such a request in the OP depends on how the 'request' is phrased. OPs who say something like, "I'd like to get the Masters' perspective on this one" get a much better reaction than those who say, "I ONLY want to hear from Masters! If you are not a Master, do not reply!!" Expecting people to be polite in the face of an OP that is rudely phrased is a bit much.

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ORIGINAL: Badmanbad

For what it's worth,  Vran, I agree with your original rant.  But I also recognize that common politeness is nearly dead in our society, and really never existed on the internet at all.  So, while you're right, you'll be told you're wrong.  It goes that way sometimes.

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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

Everyone's heard of the First Amendment, right? Beyond that, unless someone is owned, what restrictions should be put on that person about posting anything?

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

If the forum was owned and run by the OP, then rules might be set. However, posting a query in a public forum that has no limitations about who is allowed to respond is just being a jackass. They are rude by changing the rules that are already in place by the moderators. Sure they can ask for one or the other person to respond, but that does not mean that ONLY that person or the other should be allowed to respond. Why? The rules were not set in place by the OP. When they wish to create their own forum they can set the rules. Anything less is arrogance.
No one may respond to this post unless they are wearing a green paisley shirt. If they do I will throw myself down and have a hissy fit.

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Perhaps you might want to simply reread the original post. No one said anything like what you described though people often when hearing or reading something pick out part of it and latch onto that as if it was the entire point.

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And I do laugh when I see people going for the Gorean answer as if that was part of this at all. The only people bringing it up are those who feel it is useful as a way to discredit someone. Or since it is always used in a negative way, that is your intent.

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And your last paragraph is actually a very reasonable one and has been mentioned. How someone makes a request often makes all the difference to some. Then there are others who simply believe their Right to post to anything, is all that matters. As stated throughout, I simply believe the polite thing to do when requested, would be to let them get the type answer they want. It does not cost anyone anything to sit and read instead of posting a reply.

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It appears after reading your words & then re-reading them again that they are merely a misguided diatribe. I do not say this to offend you, yet to tell you in an honest manner how your words come across when read. It also appears as though you have some underlying agenda that you have no control over thus you vent where others will respond to give you a pseudo sense of control, even if your choice to do so is to your own detriment.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
I post where I like, if I feel that I have something to say.

If someone else feels that my viewpoint isn't valid and I do, I post. I'll be darned if I'll sub to a thread.

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
You had the right to post this where ever you wanted to... but that does not mean you were right in choosing to post it in this section.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Or is there some secret thread limit I am not aware of and we must keep threads down to some number. (joke)

Actually multiple threads on the same topic in different forums is against TOS. (not a joke)

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes
When and where was paisley ever a trend? I had to google it...

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Let me put this another way. If a restaurant decides to put aside separate areas for people who order burgers, another for those who order pizza, etc., that's odd but I'll respect that. If a patron decides to do the exact same thing and only allow burger eaters in a section of the restaurant, I'll tell them to go to hell.