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ORIGINAL: MastrVran
Thank you for another of your thought provoking posts.

Number one since you are by your own statements a Master, even if the point was to limit questions here to Masters, you would be one who should reply.

I do not have any issue with Mistresses or Masters, both being Dominant and having similar mindsets. So naturally I would have no problem even if such a request had been made for either to reply. But the focus of this is just if someone does ask for something, would it not be polite to let them get the answer from the source they want?

MV

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Exactly! I knew I felt a paisley vibe from you. CM is owned and operated and sets the rules. For some OP to come in and dictate what they wish and deliberately insult anyone who does not fit that criteria is RUDE, inconsiderate, arrogant, and demanding. That particular post was a good example of "I am better than you are, so there!" as any I have seen.
How the heck can anyone defend requirements presented from somone who has no right to change the rules of forums? If you post it, people have the right to respond regardless of whether or not they want to hear it. If the OP wanted to hear how sublier than thou she was, she should just ask her master.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
In My opinion, limiting information or education is not a good thing. 
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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

OP, i think You might've done better starting a thread about politeness in general, instead of using that specific example. It seems that most people don't agree that posting when an OP has asked NOT to hear their opinions, is impolite. i would have to agree. i don't think that it's impolite. It's just as easy to skip over people's responses than to ask them not to post.

I think You may have a point about politeness and society. i want to agree and say that people often use bad manners, but i'm having trouble explaining WHY i think that. My dad bemoans the fact that nobody returns their shopping carts anymore. He talks about "the good old days", but i have trouble believing him. i don't see bad manners as being a generational thing. There have always been self-serving, lazy, and thoughtless people, and i think that's where bad manners come from. There have also always been people who go out of their way to help others and receive nothing from it. i don't know. Has anything really changed? Are we behaving worse than we used to?

I try to be polite on the forums and in real life. If someone asked me to move my car because they needed the space, i probably would, even though i had the "right" to park where i wanted. Generally, if i can do something to help someone, i will, if it's at no great cost to myself. However, i reserve the right to refuse if i can't, or don't want to comply. If i have the "right" to do something, then it shouldn't offend anyone if i excercise that right. i don't say that out of spite. It's just, having the right means... having the right.

pam

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

[You're welcome.

The question in return would be, where does one draw the line?

More often than not, when I see folks who have an issue with who answers what, it comes down to an element of exclusion.  Men who don't want answers from women.  Masters who only want answers from slaves, and not submissives or bottoms.  Poly people who aren't interested in someone who is in a monogamous relationship.  Time and time again, some of the most informative answers come from the group not asked.

Truth be told, it's quite often those related to the group being asked that have more experience on the matter.  When I answer a question in the Mistress section, for example, I'm bringing My singular perspective on most occasions.  A question that might be directed to submissives, I can pull from knowledge of all of the boys who have been in dynamics with Me over the years.  If they have submitted to Me fully, don't I know the mind and the heart?

When someone asks for answers from a specific group, they really are getting what they want.  They are getting that and more, not that and less.  Other people answering doesn't prevent the target group from adding their replies to the thread.

In My opinion, limiting information or education is not a good thing. 

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

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No more quotes everywhere.
No more repeating the same points.
No more sweeping generalizations.
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

I don't consider it to be impolite to answer a thread where I think what I have to say can help.  I may have some information that the OP isn't aware of, and may also serve to inform or educate other posters on the thread.

Then there are the various jackasses, myriad douchecanoes and assorted asstards who start a thread just to make trouble even though it's in the form of a "question".  When the general population responds, and the answers are not to his/her satsifaction, they pull the victim card.  The "woe is me" everyone is attacking me, I was just asking a question.  In that case, sorry, but they're going to get the sarcastic, the snarky and the funny posts. 

As long as someone is not attacked personally, then it's the age of the internet and everything goes.  I've been approached thru CM with very rude comments from the beginning, I've now taken to ask if they would dare say that to my if we met on the street.  I've had one reply amongst the many where the man took his time, thought about it, and apologized. 

Many cannot come to terms that hiding behind a keyboard does not make them the "me tarzan, you jane" type.  They are quickly put into place.  I am me on the 'net as in person.  Always have been, always will be.  Some of my replies may be caustic, but if I were asked the same question in person, the same answer would be given. 

'Nuff said.  CRAP, I didn't want this to turn into a novel. 

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

The questions is just about if someone asks, why not be polite and allow them to get the type of responses they are seeking.

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Politeness is not a rule. It is a choice. I see a lot fewer people making it or even understanding when it should be applied.

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran
Thank you, I shall give it the consideration it deserves I assure you lol.

I will also enjoy the fun points it made.

MV

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


Define a general, all inclusive, version of  'politeness'.

Because in some places, the very premise of your OP, and following posts, are quite impolite. As well as passive aggressive and whiny.

I am not gorean, obviously. However, as I understand it, most that do identify with that premise do not care whether or not the general public believes they are polite......or about much of any point of view that does not have importance to them and their chosen life path.

Soooooo, given that.......why would anyone care whether or not you thought they were being polite? And why would you presume to dictate your version on others?

I have not dictated. I simply made a statement about old fashioned politeness. If you wish to say I am forcing you to accept this in some way, oh well. And as far as I know, I did not bring anything Gorean into this. So it of course has no bearing other than whatever you wish to conclude it might. Should I look at your profile lol and pick something at random and say that was why you said what you did?

MV

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

Having the right though does not mean you are "In the right". What ever happened to people who respected someones wishes? Oh that doesnt matter, "I HAVE THE RIGHT!!!" What is that? some battle cry of the Poor Oppressed? In some way asking to just get a particular opinion viewpoint makes your life less by asking not to see your opinion?


Oh I know most of those whose opinions just have to be included will not admit to this as being correct because by Golly they have "THE RIGHT". Yes they do. No one argues that you do not have the right. You have the right to be rude. To ignore peoples requests. To step on peoples feelings. To force yourself on others in an online forum even if asked not to. Collar me gave you that Right with its rules.

Now as said, we can always do what is allowed even if it is not the polite thing to do. People seem to feel being polite is no longer worth while. Or maybe just they really do not give a crap because they have to show through their posts just how their opinion could not have been lived without. I do not know. Perhaps I just miss the times when people were not just impressed with having the right, but also wanted to be "in the right".

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I take it that you don't ever visit the Politics and Religion forum,  do you? 

Firm

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As for asking for some to abstain from replying, since their opinions will not be from the perspective wanted, I do not see that as impolite, rather than as just trying to keep it focused on what was desired.

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

I guess I don't interpret it the same way Vran. In fact, I just posted a dom's perspective on experience on a thread asking for sub's perspectives. I didn't feel like I was being rude though. I felt like I was expanding on the question and answer set. I myself generally find multiple viewpoints to things I post terribly interesting and I assume there's at least a chance other people will also. In addition, it is trivial to scan the threads and filter out just the responses you want.

I try not to derail threads... any threads... but I don't personally interpret posting an alternate viewpoint from the sample requested as being rude or disruptive.

There is nothing wrong with posting in other Venues threads. Nothing even WRONG with posting if someone asks you not to. I am talking about simple politeness as a trait we once had. Has the internet destroyed it? Are we unwilling to extend politeness online? And if so does this in some way lessen us? Perhaps it is just an extension of our lives offline? Are we losing the desire to be polite everywhere and this is but a symptom?

MV

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

I do like how somehow having two competing threads is somehow forcing people to read either of them. if you want to follow a thread badly enough, they will follow them. If not they will ignore them and the thread dies.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


So Vran, I need to ask first........are you being purposely obtuse or is my writing unclear?

You completely ignored my questions but instead chose to take part of my post and twist it around to assume some imagined intent, and passively aggressively attempt to tweak me instead. Fail. I don't tweak that easily.

MY POINT.........was..... who's version of POLITE do you suggest we utilize?

BECAUSE.....my version of 'old fashioned politeness' as taught to me by a few amazing women, is going to be quite different than your version of 'old fashioned politeness'. I do not have the right, or power, to subject you to my version, nor do you have the right or power to subject anyone here (unless you own slave/s that are posting) to your version.

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

I don't consider it to be impolite to answer a thread where I think what I have to say can help.  I may have some information that the OP isn't aware of, and may also serve to inform or educate other posters on the thread.

Then there are the various jackasses, myriad douchecanoes and assorted asstards who start a thread just to make trouble even though it's in the form of a "question".  When the general population responds, and the answers are not to his/her satsifaction, they pull the victim card.  The "woe is me" everyone is attacking me, I was just asking a question.  In that case, sorry, but they're going to get the sarcastic, the snarky and the funny posts. 

As long as someone is not attacked personally, then it's the age of the internet and everything goes.  I've been approached thru CM with very rude comments from the beginning, I've now taken to ask if they would dare say that to my if we met on the street.  I've had one reply amongst the many where the man took his time, thought about it, and apologized. 

Many cannot come to terms that hiding behind a keyboard does not make them the "me tarzan, you jane" type.  They are quickly put into place.  I am me on the 'net as in person.  Always have been, always will be.  Some of my replies may be caustic, but if I were asked the same question in person, the same answer would be given. 

'Nuff said.  CRAP, I didn't want this to turn into a novel. 

But its such a nice novel. Though to be honest I doubt it will make the best seller list.

I like your answers lol and yes, I wish more people answered here as they would to your face. But thats for another post.

MV