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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:56:33 AM   
Acer49


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Status: offline 		I would not attend a party if I knew there were minors at the location and if I was at one and found out, I would leave.
I applaud the messenger for trying to warn others that this what they may encounter should they attend a party given by this host.
The host was totally irresponsible, putting all of his guests at risk as well as his children.
I believe the support was given only because they wanted him to continue to have parties. 

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 9:17:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is illegal for underage types to drink alcohol, and to enter a bar. It is however perfectly legal for parents to have a cocktail party while the kids stay in their rooms and watch tv. My mother used to throw New Year's Eve parties that were loud, late, and alcohol ridden. I remember wandering out to see if there was any of her famed chocolate mousse remaining, and if so taking a bowl and retreating back to my bedroom. At no point did anyone announce that had they known there were kids in the house, they wouldn't have come.

If the separation was sufficient to the couple hosting the party then they were not breaking their own moral compass. However, they did not tell anyone else that the kids were home so they needed to be fully dressed and not in fetish wear when they left the play room. And that's where the grey area is. What if a naked sub went into the kitchen to get water and encountered a kid? Or to the bathroom? The possibility of interaction existed and the hosts were wrong not to inform the guests of this, and to ensure that no such interaction could occur. Unless they did have a door guard for the night?


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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 3:59:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I try very, very hard to NEVER ignore my moral compass. Sadly, I'm flawed and so sometimes I fail. Pretty much routinely I regret it later. There is no conceivable kink or sexual activity which would even remotely get to the level of desire that'd cause me to do so.

In THIS case, however, I'm kind of forced to wonder what the hell is going on. I mean seriously. The children belong to the people hosting the party? The children's parents and legal guardians made a decision as to their safety and well being? That is THEIR job, not mine. I could see myself leaving the party if I disagreed strongly. But I absolutely cannot see me publicly criticizing them over it.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:05:40 PM   
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My response to this entirely depends on the size of the location and the age of the children. Lets be honest, a baby is not going to "come out" and interupt or see anything.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were 3 and 5 and the room that they were in was right next to the dungeon in the basement of the house.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd ask if I can take the kids to someplace with a plastic playground.
I'd tell them to find a babysitter.
I'd probably talk to them privately, though.

And I wouldn't put myself in that situation again since I'm 22 and I don't particularly enjoy this type of responsability.

Oh, and I wouldn't be having any fun.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:47:06 PM   
frazzle


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Status: offline 		Odd place to have a childrens bedroom!!!!

If upstairs away from noise and guests, and being regularly checked on to make sure asleep, i personally wouldnt have an issue.

As the scenario is being told, id have not only left, but called social services.


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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 4:57:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anytime in past years when I used to throw parties in my home, some bdsm ones some not bdsm ones, I never ever had my child present there whether she was a baby or a total adult. I just found it immoral and wrong and I would never ever attend a party where family of any kind was present. I would just find it way too creepy and odd.

I would just leave and in private I would tell the person why I was leaving and that I found that they were not the type of person I would want to be around and thus it would be the last time they would be seeing me.

I'm extremely picky about the type of people I hang around whether they're friends, lovers or acquaintances.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 5:06:21 PM   
frazzle


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Status: offline 		So even an adult dinner party/birthday party/xmas, all non kink, means no children in the house????

All of course unless your Master says differently!!!!

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 5:26:56 PM   
littlewonder


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That's how it works in my house.

I don't think I would be with someone who felt otherwise.

If there are children there then obviously it's not an adult party.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 5:29:12 PM   
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get through locked doors,
light things on fire,
need lots of supervision.
Crafty kids.

I should apologize to my parents sometime.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 5:36:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with you there twoshoes, It is one reason why my home has been, is and shall remain as long as I am breathing a child free zone. I have no issues with children but I avoid them as much as possible. (My self defense mechanism and as I'm not sufficiently masochistic enough to want to be constantly reminded of the loss caused by an ex-wife and her stealing my son from me, I avoid children and refuse to listen to discussions about them except with Neets who is a nanny.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/22/2010 6:13:51 PM   
frazzle


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Status: offline 		We obviously had different upbringings.

If my parents were having a dinner party, we went upstairs and only ventured down if there was an emergency. my son was brought up the same.

Maybe you think any gathering of adults is detrimental to a child??? My friends, family etc are quite capable of an enjoyable "adult" gathering without doing or saying anything that might "traumatise" a child.


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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 7:08:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
What if a naked sub went into the kitchen to get water and encountered a kid? Or to the bathroom? The possibility of interaction existed and the hosts were wrong not to inform the guests of this, and to ensure that no such interaction could occur. Unless they did have a door guard for the night?

What if someone called the police about the party and when the police showed up there were naked people engaging in kinky sex games while children were in the house?

And yes, it can happen. I've been at a house party where the police were called by submissive that had an axe to grind with the organizers.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 7:21:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't you people have damn apartments in your world?

"OMG, children! Just a wall away from kink!"

I've been to plenty of kink events in apartment buildings. Don't see how this is different. Is it really just 2 doors instead of one? Is that the key?

As for calling cps, someone who calls them over this deserves capital punishment. Cps makes the gestapo look fair and even handed. Calling them is literally committing a kidnapping.

...And no, I've never had them bother me, but I've seen the horrors they've perpetrated.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 7:49:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, according to someone who was there....

If they would have come out of the room for any reason...they would have seen a man doing electric play on a naked woman, a nude caged submissive, and a nude woman on a cross being whipped. (re-worded so as not to be a direct quote)

Apparently THIS is what was going on directly outside of their door. I don't think that bears much similarity to what may occur as a result of kink going on in the next apartment of an apartment building.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 8:03:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: couldbemage

Don't you people have damn apartments in your world?

"OMG, children! Just a wall away from kink!"

It's not the same thing. If I'm having a kinky party....and children are in a domicile that isn't mine...it's out of my control and not my responsibilty. (Although, I would inform my guests that they needed to be vanilla outside of my four walls)

If there are children in YOUR domicile while YOU'RE having a sex party, then it is your responsibility.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 9:13:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am pretty good at ignoring what is hardly there at all anyway. But in that situation I would have left too. It's one thing to be having sex in the next room when your kids are sleeping it's a whole other to have a bunch of people over doing whatever with kids present.

Another thing that could be asked here is was that door locked from the outside? Because at any point in time any of those kids could have came out of the room if it was not. If it was locked from the outside again that is a HUGE no in my book your basically locking your kids away so you can play. That's wrong. What would have happened if one of those kids got hurt in that room with all that was going on I bet no one would have heard a thing.

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 10:15:13 AM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		i keep wondering who was babysitting these kids? the parents it seems were occupied. did they have a bathroom in the bedroom? how did the the children sleep at a reasonable hour among all that noise?

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RE: Do you ignore your moral compass to get your kink on? - 9/23/2010 10:26:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
I've been at a house party where the police were called by submissive that had an axe to grind with the organizers.


That seems to be a case of a person ignoring their moral compass to get their own back on some poor kinkster
gosh all these troubles with morals do get in the way of a bit of fun though don't they?

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