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It is the rarity that I disagree with ownedgirlie or Celeste.
That's ok, Level. One can't be right all the time. ;)
That's what everybody else keeps telling me, buncha fibbers  .
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The definition of equal I go by is: "Having the same quantity, measure, or value as another".
A fair definition to use and I don't dispute it. In fact, I believe I posted something along those lines earlier.
You did indeed. You also said "Having the same rights or status. Being equal means being the same. "
These certainly can be definitions of "equal", but are not what I emphasized in my post. I am looking at "value". The value of a human being.
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I don't look at measure of power in determining equality in a D/s or M/s relationship.
This is where we actually differ because power is the only measure I use in the determination of a D/s relatioship. That's what makes it a D/s relationship otherwise it's just a relationship. I asked Julia this question and it went unanswered, so perhaps you'll answer it. Where does the dominance begin when all things are equal?
But I never said "all things are equal".......... I said (or meant) the two (or more) human beings involved in the relationship were equal in value. His life does not mean more than yours. We may simply have to agree to disagree on this lol, because you will be hard-pressed to convince me otherwise. Now, some might point out that not all human life is of equal value, and use someone like Hitler as an example. I would say that even his life was inherently of value, but he obviously chose to ignore that with his actions. It takes a great deal to destroy human value.
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The arguments have been made as to whether one can pick up and go out the door, thus re-balancing power.
If one doesn't look at power as the determining factor in a D/s relationship, then indeed, one can get up and leave at any time they choose. They can obey if and when they feel like it, they can do anything they desire. They have choices because they are equal. I find this is often the case when one gives their power to another. I don't find it's the case when one has their power taken from them. Under the broadest definitions, any human is equal to any other human. As soon as you put any two humans into any relationship, the definitions narrow and become refined based on the sort of relationship they have with one another. Boss/employee, parent/minor child, teacher/student. All of those are 'equal' as person to person... none of those are equal 'relationships'. In each of those cases one person is above the other 'in that relationship' based on the power one holds. The exception to me would be a Husband/Wife. That can be an equal relationship. Neither is above the other, one does not have more power but that ain't D/s. ;)
Again, I did not mean all things were equal in the relationship, just an equality of value as human beings.
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I look at value. As human beings. And if that isn't there, something is terribly wrong.
Hmm.. interesting. One could suppose there is something terribly wrong in the relationship with I share with Himself and yet, it doesn't feel wrong. We are both content, happy and it's been working for 10 years. Sometimes he treats me like a footstool and strips away my humanity completely. If the fact that I'm human is the only measure of value which I have, does that mean when he treats me like I'm a footstool that I then become worthless? Ok, that was a bit tic, but seriously, if everyone is equal just because we're all human, why is it so hard to find a partner? Wouldn't one human be as good as another? Or is it true that you actually do find being human isn't enough and you look for specific qualities and refinements which make a particular human 'more' valuable to 'you' and would make a relationship with you 'better'? Are you really looking for equal because if so, collarme has about 50,000 woman on it so just pick one and get started!
I certainly don't think there is anything terribly wrong with you and yours. Not that I know of lol. I often look at the two of you, as well as owned, as sound examples of what can be developed in this lifestyle. As for finding a partner that's "more valuable to you", well sure. But that does not remove the value from the rest of the dating pool, in terms of the human value that I spoke of. Just because I don't want to partner with X does not remove that value... if it did, then couldn't I be ethically defended if I decided to put a bullet in their head?
At worst, I was not as clear as I'd like to be in my initial post.... chalk it up to typing with one eye on the clock *smiles*....
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