Padriag
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After talking with a fews doms here and there...i've been wondering....
I wish to have people's honest answers here...
I personnaly thinks that submissive and dominants should be equals, dont you think? or that, when one choose to become one *beneath* the other, it doesnt mean he becomes *really* beneath him, but only in this state because he chooses so. therefore, the equal thingy is still there.
But i've been talking and asking lots of questions...and a lots of doms would answer me to my question as if :
yeah, you and me are equals right now. but if you were on my collar or if you would be my sub, you would have to answer to my demands and therefore, be beneath me.
but but but...what does that mean?? i believe in the yin and yan thing in a D/s relationship, the *you complete me* thing...not the beneath me thing...or is there differences? is there exceptions?
is a slave *less* worthy then her master only because she surrenders her whole being to him?
personnally, i dont think so!
but, where is the lign here? is *there* a lign?
Does the terms submission means inferiority? or the opposite, as in, dominance = superiority? for a lot of doms, it does seems so....
What do you think?
Interesting question, some interesting answers. Here's another.
No, they are not and never will be equal. Ever. Equality is a myth, its bullshit, a pretty concept cooked up by PC socialist to make everyone feel better. Its a pretty unhealthy concept at that.
Now before anyone flames me, let's do two things.
First lets define exactly what kind of equality we're talking about here.
Are we refering to equal in authority? Well obviously they aren't equal in that regard or how else is there any power exchange.
Are we talking equal in ability? Some may say yes... let's test that theory. I can type approximately 120 wpm... can all of you? No... guess we aren't all equal in ability then. So much for that one.
Are we equal in value? Hmm... this is a prickly one. Let me ask you this... on what basis do you value someone? For example... I'm a total stranger to most of you, so who would you value more, me or say... one of your parents? If I was trapped in a burning building with one of your parents, and you could only save one of us, who would you choose. I'm guessing about 99% of you said your parent, congrats, you value your parent more than me... so we ain't equal in value then are we.
What about value based on achievement, how useful someone is? I help support my parents, my grandmother as well as taking care of myself, I do not depend on any form of welfare, I contribute to my community (several of them), I founded my own business. Does that make me more valueable than say some drunk bum on the street who doesn't work, lives on welfare, and refuses to get a job?
Before you can answer the question, are we equal... you first have to answer how you determine value. The myth of Equality is this, it avoids assigning any form of value based on any form of merit by avoiding the basic question... how do we value a person? Instead of assigning some form of value fairly based on some form of merit, it instead proposes the ideal that all humans are inherantly of equal value... just cause... no reason, no basis, just cause... and leaves it at that. Which means that drunk bum or that wife abuser is just as valuable a human being as say... me... someone who works hard, does his best for his family and his community and tries to make something of himself... now don't that just seem wrong?
Some one said equal doesn't mean the same... actually... that's exactly what it means. Webster's defines equal as being "the same measure, quantity, amount, or number as another; LIKE; identical quality, nature or status;" The only way we can all be equal is if we were all identical, which obviously we aren't.
Now this isn't the same as say being equal before the law. Which simply means that (at least in theory) the law applies to us all equally regardless of our individual differences. In other words, we aren't really equal, but despite that the law is supposed to treat us all the same anyway... we call it being fair. Neat little concept, doesn't really work that way, but its a neat little concept.
Now the second thing I'd like you to do before you flame me is read an essay I wrote some time back on equality. An if you still feel like flaming me after that... well.. have at it... I didn't come her to win a popularity contest.
Here's the essay http://www.bardicheart.com/Essays/equality.html
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Padriag
A stern discipline pervades all nature, which is a little cruel so that it may be very kind - Edmund Spencer
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. I enjoyed seeing your thoughts, and I would not be one to come off as superior to another, or I would hope not. I have my way of doing things, and that's not it. As for what I am.... began as "submissive" a very long time ago, then bottom, then switch (which is still valid), then dominant... and ever closer to desiring to own another... I think all that will be decided in the next couple of years for me, and I may turn away from this all together.... which does not mean I stop being what I am. How's that for a cryptic cliff-hanger? lol.... 
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