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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:24:11 PM   
CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

Well said and excellent observation.


Thanks! It's high praise coming from the coiner of "ass clapping sex kittens from Gor." I had completely forgotten about ass-clapping (once upon a time I was fascinated with it, for all the usual reasons) until I saw that colorful phrase in a recent post of yours. I'm afraid that visual has locked the pasttime into my permanent memory storage--right next to "Leather Goddesses of Phobos."

Not a bad thing, come to think of it.

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:31:12 PM   
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Touche. Thanks for having a sense of humor!

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:36:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Bottom line: if you sound like less of a self-righteous dick, more real-live women with slave desires will be willing to interact with you, because more women period will be willing to interact with you.  The best way to sound like less of a self-righteous dick is to look for the positive in things, not the negative.  Might want to give it a try.



If I were to sound like less of a self-righteous dick, then I wouldn't have a belligerent dicks like you come around to call me a dick and give me great advice about women! And all these other kindly dicks who hypocritically impress their opinion upon another for having stated his own, thus hardening themselves as dicks.

If there's anything that I've learned in my tender 25 years of life, it's that women love dicks. In fact, women need dicks, to reproduce and proliferate as a species! Yes, there are women that hate dicks, but they are lesbians, and I can't win with them regardless of what I say. So I feel that, by cultivating dicks in this thread, I'm doing a favor to the benefit of humanity. Excluding lesbians.

So let it be known, you dick, that you are welcome and in fact encouraged to dick around in my thread as often and as much as you like.

Do it for the human race.

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:38:05 PM   
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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:43:21 PM   
poise


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Status: offline 		Wow...and here I almost believed your journal when you said you prefer to use your brain instead of your dick.
Thats perhaps the most childish response to some very good advice I've read of late. Bravo!

If it types like a dick and acts like a dick...is it a true dick?

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:47:12 PM   
Hotch


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Status: offline 		Maybe some type of ranking system?

We could use the outlaw MC structure of "hang around", "prospect", and "full patch" slaves... Or maybe the like the Free Masons... 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree slaves?

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 3:59:04 PM   
CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: Bravado

CaringandReal, while your response was extremely informative, only one aspect of it was relevant to the discussion in which a distinction is being made between "true slaves" of the BDSM world, which are willing advocates of the kink in search of fulfillment, and unfortunate slaves of criminal trafficking, who are simply stuck.

"Legal slave." I like this phrase. Your contribution perhaps closes a question I had presented, which to me satisfies the argument within this thread.

So, to all you BDSM fanatics who will argue until the day you die that you are or own a "true slave," yes! It is true! You are right! But, you are not a legal slave, which will, I'm sure, soon become the "cool" thing to claim...



Yeah, I know, I tend to "ramble." :)

"Legal slave" is a term I can't take credit for. I've seen used on this forum many times, particularly in these types of discussions, to refer to the Old South slaves and Roman slaves, the Greek slaves, slaves of the American Indians, and so on, anything except bdsm slaves.

It's also a nearly impossible title to claim! I think people won't do that because they would feel silly. Who will take it seriously, when slavery is illegal almost everywhere? Well, perhaps, just perhaps, if you bought an island in international waters, declared yourself a soverign country, and put on the books that slavery was legal in your jurisdiction... ? But there aren't that many islands like that (yeah, I looked into it once) and they usually aren't for sale, and even when they are, they would cost considerable resources to purchase and maintain. And you'd probably have to worry about pirates stealing your slaves. :/

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 4:03:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: poise

Wow...and here I almost believed your journal when you said you prefer to use your brain instead of your dick.
Thats perhaps the most childish response to some very good advice I've read of late. Bravo!

If it types like a dick and acts like a dick...is it a true dick?


Good advice? It may have seemed profound to you, but I'm not so easily impressed or deceived. What may have appeared to you as an effort to be charitably informative was merely a poorly disguised expression of frustrated disagreement.

When I give advice, I don't call the recipient a dick and suggest that they are unsuccessful with women. Even if I would, it would be foolish of me to identify that as the "bottom line" of my post. Don't you agree?

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 4:10:36 PM   
poise


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Status: offline 		Im sorry, I cant agree with you. Im beginning to think you focus far too much on
the meaning of words as opposed to the intention of their use. I wont try and adjust your vision, but I am disappointed that you can only touch the surface.
Happy threading!

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 4:10:44 PM   
Bravado


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Status: offline 		What CaringandReal giveth, CaringandReal taketh away.

Due to the conflicting yet inarguable clarity of your most recent post, I can now no longer feel comfortable using the phrase "legal slave." Instead, I have no choice but to say "illegal slave," but the meaning may have perhaps become so misconstrued that "true slaves," the BDSM term for "I'm extra serious about it," will now seem more legitimate than criminally trafficked slaves! Nothing seems more illegitimate than the prefix "illegal," which makes anything seem faux and foul.

Now we are back at the beginning, except perhaps that Hotch may be onto some brilliant scheme assigning ranks to subs and doms. Here is a personal ad of the year 2015: "Lvl 6 sub ISO lvl 15 dom, want 2 b trained 2 lvl 10 thx"

Due to that alone, there will no longer be wars or socioeconomic gaps.

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 4:13:10 PM   
Bravado


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ORIGINAL: poise

Im sorry, I cant agree with you. Im beginning to think you focus far too much on
the meaning of words as opposed to the intention of their use. I wont try and adjust your vision, but I am disappointed that you can only touch the surface.
Happy threading!


You didn't respond to anything relevant to my previous post. If that is your way of saying, "you're right, now that I look at it his post was more an effort to argue with insults instead of genuine advice," then thank you, I appreciate that.

If not, good riddance ;)

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 4:42:36 PM   
Pyramus


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ORIGINAL: Bravado
Do you suppose these people know that they are lying, or have lost themselves in a delusional fantasy?


Firstly, it's a game. A role-playing game. It goes as deeply as the recipient wants it to go (i.e., the slave role).

Secondly, there never was a 'true slave' as long as rebellion existed in the hearts of the oppressed. But that's philosophical waxing that tends to overshoot into history.

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 5:09:28 PM   
angelikaJ


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Status: offline 		[Stating the obvious] You really like to, no love to stir up shit.

I don't need you to define what is real or not within my relationship.
I don't need anyone's approval about the use of the word slave in this relationship and journey with the man who is Master to me.
I am not weal or twue to anyone's standards.
It doesn't matter; I am His.

Context is everything.
The only context that matters is ours.

IF this is delusion, then for us it is a mostly happy delusion.
It is better than perfect; it is real.

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 5:10:05 PM   
Twoshoes


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Status: offline 		In all honesty, I was helping you derail your thread, since it seemed like you were seeking entertainment.

I recognize your point that the use of 'slavery' in BDSM context could devalue the gravity of actual human slavery.

By all means, please dedicate your time to educating others about human trafficking. (I've watched the heart-wrenching documentaries. Plus, being from Europe, I'm aware of what happens to some women who move to another country and have to have to pay their lodging with much, much more than their pride and health - blood, tears, abortions and enough abuse to make all of us cynically numb.)

[Women, please be so kind as to not read any further, because you need to be a male under 25 with no class (like myself) to fully appreciate the following.]

If you're bored, the answer is youtube. The place where sweet cars are glorified
and beautiful women willingly objectified.

The second video demonstrates:
-Why young women should pursue a higher education
-Why I love university and dancing :)
-That most young women can't dance well, but it takes a complete lack of priorities or sex hormones to objectively note any lack of rhythm or kinesthetic control. Self-expression, confidence and personal growth should definitely be encouraged.

I could attempt to convince people that calling this 'dancing' devalues the art form of others who wear white gloves, masks and move through space with fluidity and control.

However, "being right" can be just as counterproductive as associating negative arguments with positive emotional triggers. (I mean: human trafficking with people's M/s dynamics, why...?)

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 5:34:04 PM   
SorceressJ


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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

Well said and excellent observation.


Thanks! It's high praise coming from the coiner of "ass clapping sex kittens from Gor." I had completely forgotten about ass-clapping (once upon a time I was fascinated with it, for all the usual reasons) until I saw that colorful phrase in a recent post of yours. I'm afraid that visual has locked the pasttime into my permanent memory storage--right next to "Leather Goddesses of Phobos."

Not a bad thing, come to think of it.


Re: "ass-clapping sex kittens from Gor" and "Leather Goddesses of Phobos" - I know two new porn blockbusters that are just crying out with the desire to be put on film *nods to self*..
(Below: NOT ass-clapping sex kittens of Gor. Just sayin'..)




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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 6:19:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bravado

BoiJen, it seems to me that the excerpts of slaves who were not only allowed to read and write but happy with their circumstance has made it difficult for you to see that the fact of the matter is that slaves didn't get to choose whether or not they are in a situation that permitted literacy and allowed for happiness.


Neither do some get a whole lot of say about exactly which person will be able to control them with absolute precision.  I respond to my partner at a very basic level and to some degree automatically.

quote:

Were those happy, literate, and apparently published slaves "true slaves?" Yes, in the sense that society deprived them of citizenship, rights, and if their owner should decide, any kind of freedom including the luxury of life itself.


Indeed.  Except that there were many cultures and specific arrangements that allowed for citizenship and certain rights and priveledges for their slaves and even made it illegal to kill a slave.  No one bothers to remember that in discussion of "true slavery", but that doesn't diminish the fact that they existed. 

quote:

In this lovely world of BDSM, does society or even the "owner" strip a formally privileged person of citizenship, rights, and if they should decide, any kind of freedom including the luxury of life itself?


Yes.  Some owners do things such as not allow the slave to vote, require they vote a certain way, change religions, etc.  They may very well still have legal rights, but that doesn't mean exercising them within the relationship will be permitted.  It would mean that the relationship would be dissolved whether the slave had anywhere to go or not.  Yes, ANY partner (vanilla or otherwise) holds the ability to end the other's life even if not legally.  The only determining factor is the the value of one person to the other.  Thankfully, I am cherished.

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No? Well, is that enough of a difference to suggest that the latter is not a TRUE slave, but only a person who wants to ACT as one? Or will there still be a pressing argument that omits choice as a factor in slavery?



Choice is so very subjective isn't it now? 

Nothing like jumping back into the deep end of the pool. 

Please pass the popcorn!

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 6:38:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SorceressJ


Re: "ass-clapping sex kittens from Gor" and "Leather Goddesses of Phobos" - I know two new porn blockbusters that are just crying out with the desire to be put on film *nods to self*..
(Below: NOT ass-clapping sex kittens of Gor. Just sayin'..)





I would watch them! But who would star in them? ;)

I love the kitten picture. It was what this thread needed. :)

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 6:46:29 PM   
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I'd think most masters value their slaves.

the egyptian 'slaves' you're talking about had a ceremonial burial better than they could otherwise afford. and they also had 1 day of rest. these people were not overworked until they died, they participated in projects of public works.

the image you get of egyptian slaves being whipped hauling heavy stones is a myth

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 6:55:03 PM   
LanceHughes


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ORIGINAL: Hotch
Maybe we should start calling age players pedophiles?

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
TOTALLY ON POINT!

And then the OP gets it backwards! 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bravado
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hotch
Maybe we should start calling age players pedophiles?

Next I'll start a thread arguing that "true age players" aren't real because they aren't abusing children. But there won't be an argument there, because not a lot of people are obsessed with the idea of being branded a pedophile, whereas so many people feel the need to convince others that they are truly slaves.

OP: If you had thought about Hotch's post a little longer [defensive shields: UP] you would have seen that your post should have read:

Next I'll start a thread arguing that "true age players" aren't real because they aren't actual children. But there won't be an argument there, because not a lot of people are obsessed with the idea of being branded a child and their loving parental authority figure, whereas so many people feel the need to convince others that they are truly slaves.

And as soon as your flawed logic is revealed one can easily re-write the OPost to show what nonsense it truly is.

<And since I've wasted enough time on your nonsense already, I won't.>

"Bye, bye."  Oh, wait...... that was non-consenual age-play.  Please forgive me, Master.  Your Adoring Slave wanna-be, Lance <who edited for gooder grammer and beter spellling>

< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 9/29/2010 7:30:13 PM >

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RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. - 9/29/2010 7:38:56 PM   
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Lance calls "end-o'-page-4" and "END-of-THREAD."

Quite enough characters for this character.  Please exit to your right.  Oh, and those of you that have been eating pop-corn, please deposit your containers in the trash bins as you leave.  Thanks!

< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 9/29/2010 7:44:42 PM >

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