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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:17:40 PM

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If someone makes what I think to be an incorrect assertion (e.g. doms are only doms cause they can't get laid otherwise) then I'm not just going to leave it be just because they put an IMO in front of it. I think I had this argument with Missokyst once-putting 'to me' or whatever in front of a statement doesn't mean you aren't actually making the statement.

Well, I appreciate that you, LP and sexyred1 aren't willing to let trolls make negative assertions over huge groups of people even when they are men.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:22:10 PM

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No, it doesn't. But it's not always about getting some point across-some people are just deeply unpleasant, and IMO the OP is one of them. I'm not going to sugarcoat that opinion. Now that might jar with your idea of right and wrong, but it doesn't really jar with mine-letting the opinion stand uncontested would jar with mine.

Just as long as that person who's giving the comment without the sugarcoat doesn't cry foul when the same logic is used on them is fine by me. Know what I mean?

The guy doesn't bother me...I just usually pass it by.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:30:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Just as long as that person who's giving the comment without the sugarcoat doesn't cry foul when the same logic is used on them is fine by me. Know what I mean?

I think that's fair enough.

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The guy doesn't bother me...I just usually pass it by.

Well that's all well and good for you, but the shit he comes out with *does* bother a lot of people, clearly, otherwise we wouldn't be posting.

We aren't all saints like you, honey

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:39:24 PM

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Icarys,
I'm not sure what it is that you're disagreeing with me about, but I'll try one more time. This is the OP's stated premise:

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now, my purpose for sharing this little anecdote is to apply it to my long held belief that most of the males who identify as 'dominants' are really those who have failed at relations with females in any other context, and see control as the only means to get laid. i mean, most of them prey on submissive women who are either a) willing to accept less of a man in order to meet their unique needs, or b) women who derive an additional source of humiliation at the prospect of being controlled by someone most of society recognizes as a loser.

now, i have seen this phenomenon play out many times over the years, yet have never heard it articulated so earnestly prior to the other day.

I agreed with him that there are certainly people who fit that model, but that it isn't fair to paint all male Doms with that brush. For example, do you fit that generalization? Do most of the male Doms that you have met?

In both of my posts in this thread, I reiterated my belief that there are indeed those who do in fact do what he describes. However, I have not seen enough evidence to accept his assertion that "most of the males who identify as 'dominants' are really those who have failed at relations with females in any other context". He might be absolutely correct. I don't know. But I don't think that either of us has the evidence to prove or disprove his belief.

I don't think I tried to take away his right to state his opinion. So I'm confused about what you and I apparently disagree about. But if you found my opinion to be objectionable or confusing, then I hope this clarified it for you.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:43:06 PM

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If there's anything true about doms from this site is that they are a defensive lot. While it seems like insecurity, I think in many cases it has to do with pride. As for desperation, I think most people get desperate at some point, whether it's for one afternoon, for a week, or for a couple of years. Sometimes you want something that you can't have, often regardless of what is offered to you.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:44:18 PM

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We aren't all saints like you, honey

Your so cute!

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:45:40 PM

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Given that most of the people responding on this thread are women I would question that assertion about doms being defensive...

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:46:03 PM

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Fair enough.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:47:23 PM

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Your so cute!

I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:50:29 PM

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I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT

Oh yeah...That's attractive!

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:50:37 PM

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Your so cute!

I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT

You're so cute when you're protesting over someone telling you that "you're so cute".

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:52:06 PM

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I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT

Oh yeah...That's attractive!

Oh yeah...because I'm here to be attractive...

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 4:59:28 PM

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Given that most of the people responding on this thread are women I would question that assertion about doms being defensive...

Good point, this one thread of three pages proves me wrong about a generalization against the whole site. Thank goodness there's a rational mind here to keep me in check.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 5:29:49 PM

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Good point, this one thread of three pages proves me wrong about a generalization against the whole site. Thank goodness there's a rational mind here to keep me in check.

Heh. VaguelyCurious is significantly more intelligent and accomplished than you, she has topped professional athletes, and she probably gets more pussy than I do (damn it). Be careful about who you try to fight your intellectual battles with. Hot chicks with real-life experience will kick macho blowhard ass every time.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 5:40:54 PM

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Given that most of the people responding on this thread are women I would question that assertion about doms being defensive...

Good point, this one thread of three pages proves me wrong about a generalization against the whole site. Thank goodness there's a rational mind here to keep me in check.

Good point, proves me wrong, thank goodness.
I guess this means Dom's are defensive. Nice.

Ah, the ability to find amusement everywhere. I'm so lucky; I could probably laugh at the sight of an ice cube.

Edit: Or nothing. I can make myself amused while thinking about nothing. (I just tested it.)

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 6:03:03 PM

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A-hem!!

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 6:17:05 PM

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A-hem!!

QFT

However, this thread reminds me of "Loser" by Beck. I hadn't heard that song in years, but it has a very memorable riff (not to mention, it's not 100% PC).

Everything reminds me of a song I've heard.

Except LanceHughes, he reminds me of a British TV comedy about the French Resistance during WWII, but I can't remember the name.

It had guys with mustaches, costumes and waitresses in a restaurant.

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 6:22:32 PM

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 6:27:22 PM

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Wow this thread is only four pages long?

And not locked! I am impressed, I guess. Or is everyone else tired of reruns?

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RE: male doms: motivated by desperation? - 10/4/2010 6:30:23 PM

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Heh. VaguelyCurious is significantly more intelligent and accomplished than you, she has topped professional athletes, and she probably gets more pussy than I do (damn it). Be careful about who you try to fight your intellectual battles with. Hot chicks with real-life experience will kick macho blowhard ass every time.

*One semi-professional*, let's not get overinflated here :P

But yeah, thankyou, lovely man

I'm not going to get into this row, though. The doms I associate with aren't any more defensive than any other demographic, and I don't see any evidence of doms on the boards being particularly defensive either. Those are the two pools I'm going with, and if they aren't sufficient for Bravado (with his pleasingly appropriate name) then that's just fine.

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