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Ignorance is not being aware of the primacy of the fucking Constitution...it is not a document of conveinence.

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He was fired for saying something really stupid,really wrong(incorrect wrong) and really bigoted,on THEIR station.

Same reasons Jimmy the Greek and Rick Sanchez were fired.

Uhmmmm,  since when is the Bill O'Reilly show on NPR?  He made the statement while appearing on FOX.  Once again he gave an opinion on an opinion show, he wasn't on the evening news telling everyone not to get on a plane if they thought they saw a Muslim.

Sanchez was talking shit about his bosses live on the air.  That was just begging to be fired.

Jimmy the Greek was fired for being a being a stupid old drunk.

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I'll be glad to defend Juan, both for this statement and in general.
He is to my ear one of the very few liberals who can defend policies I find hateful (rent control (last week), affirmative action, etc etc) without sounding hateful himself. The guy lacks the arrogance and condescension so many libtards possess in abundance. Has a sense of humor, too.

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Yeah. IMO only a total fool could describe as "not-liberal" unbiased anything to which George Soros donates money.

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he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

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The better path for NPR would have been to open a dialog about why he felt that way on the air, in a series. One of the things they do so well which is open a discussion and view a subject from different sides.

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You can have him.

But tell me Firm, how do you seriously defend his remarks?

He is afraid to board a plane with Muslim passengers, he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Are these views you support as well?

Oh see, you took 4 words out of context and they now have a completely different meaning.
He did NOT say other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed and violent".

What he said was he understood O'Reilly's grandmother's opinions because they came from what she saw and what she saw was what she knew.

"After watching all those racist, minstrel images of black people, I argued, she is right to buy into stereotypes of blacks as ignorant, oversexed and violent."

Context makes all the difference in the world.

There was no bigotry in his statement.

Uh..........if you go up to #32 you will find I posted the exact quote.

So how am I taking it out of context?

You can also read the link that contains his whole article, but apparently you did not bother reading the thread and probably only saw my post scrolling by and decided to offer your opinion.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Clearly your reading comprehension sucks if you think what he said was racist.

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he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Literate, much? That's not at allwhat he said. From the Time quotation given above he said only that people who have only one source of information (in this case, "one-dimensional TV coverage of black criminals shooting each other ....") shouldn't be denigrated for believing it. And that in the context of telling a friend to take it easy on his grandmother.

Seriously, dude.

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WILLIAMS: Right now, Steve, it's like 53 percent of black Americans who say that African-Americans who aren't getting ahead are responsible for their own problems, and then two-thirds of all Americans - whites, blacks, Hispanics - now feel that personal behavior - and by that we come back to the values concern - that wrong values with regard to education, keeping family together - that those are the things that are keeping poor black people oppressed. It's not racism.

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Your logic continues to overwhelm me.

It was fine for Williams to say what he did because he was on an opinion show.

Uhhhh........okay.

Are we having some short-term memory problems here?

On what type of show did Sanchez make his remarks?

For that matter, what type of show was Jimmy on when he gave his opinions?

And I had to edit this to add what I missed before.

Owner pointed out that it was their station.  You know, the whole employment-at-will thing.  But you defend Williams while saying Sanchez's bosses had every right to fire him.

Do you find this contradictory at all?

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I've heard from a lot of friends I've had who are servers that black people don't tip well.

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because if we are honest with ourselves, there are FAR more right-leaning talk shows on radio with a FAR larger audience than PBS...so we're not suffering in that department.

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WILLIAMS: Right now, Steve, it's like 53 percent of black Americans who say that African-Americans who aren't getting ahead are responsible for their own problems, and then two-thirds of all Americans - whites, blacks, Hispanics - now feel that personal behavior - and by that we come back to the values concern - that wrong values with regard to education, keeping family together - that those are the things that are keeping poor black people oppressed. It's not racism.

Geez....and how is that racist?  Williams appears in this quote to be quoting some other source.  And how is the content of the quote racist?  "...whites, blacks, hispanics now feel that personal behavior...are keeping poor black people oppressed."  Personal behavior is what causes the failure of the vast majority of people regardless of their gender, race or ethnicity.

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Geez....where did I say it was?

I said the other quote was racist.

This one was just the predictable conservative talking point.

But regarding Williams being fired:


Juan Williams Firing - NPR Defends Decision‎

Vivian Schiller, President and CEO of NPR, has defended the agency’s decision to terminate the contract of news analyst Juan Williams after comments the analyst made on The O’Reilly Factor on FoxNews.
Schiller stated that the analyst’s comments on the show veered from news analysis into opinion and this was not the first time the problem had occurred.
She was very clear that Williams was paid by NPR to give a perspective on the news and not his opinion as he was not a columnist or commentator.

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Your implication was that it was racist when you said that you would "keep the Juan Williams hit parade going."  I'm happy to see that you don't find that statement racist because that shows immense common sense.  Juan Williams did not offer an opinion on Muslims, nor did he advocate a position regarding Muslims.  What he did was express a "feeling".  He "feels" a certain way.  He did not advocate that others share his feeling or that others should share his feelings, etc.  NPR will hopefully get sued into bankruptcy by Williams but without reading his contract, it is impossible to tell.





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