Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Legalize IT


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Legalize IT Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 8:34:45 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Sweetheart, how old are you? Vodka has virtually no smell, which is why so many teens drink it. The bubblegum didnt disguise a thing except whatever you may have mixed the vodka with.



That is not true.

I can almost always smell it in a mixed drink, if I can't it is one of those mixed drinks that has so much other stuff in it, it wouldn't have mattered what form of alcohol was in it.
And if someone has had more than a couple of drinks, I can smell vodka on their breath.

Alcoholics famously pick vodka for the same reason: they think it can't be detected. Compared to wine, rum, whiskey, gin, brandy or other liquors and alcoholic beverages it has a lighter scent, but "virtually no smell": that is myth.




Smell of alcohol on the breath. There is a very poor correlation between the strength of the smell of alcohol on the breath and the BAC. Pure alcohol has very little smell. It is the metabolism of other substances in alcoholic beverages that produces most of the smell. This explains why a person who drinks large amounts of high-proof vodka (a more pure form of alcohol) may have only a faint smell of alcohol on the breath. On the other hand, a person who drinks a modest amount of beer may have a strong smell of alcohol on the breath.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/alcohol_intoxication/page2_em.htm

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/alcohol-intoxication?page=2

Guess you know better than the medical experts.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to angelikaJ)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 8:46:33 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		Each drug has its own indicators of use.

Lets say someone has a medical reason for using marijuana. I support that completely. But at what point to we determine they have overindulged and should know better than to drive? Thats the same with pain medications or muscle relaxers.

Thats the question... until we have an answer, i dont see this situtation changing.

An interesting artile about heavy use and health.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20080602/marijuana_effects_080602/

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Elisabella)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 8:48:18 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

if you doubt that I've had lymphoma then maybe we need to make a bet through lawyers...you'd lose, but that's okay with me because my house can use a new roof.


Show me where i said i doubted you. You do assume alot, dont you.

quote:

No. And for the second part...good for you. We had a misunderstanding that I had been talking to you. THIS is how it looks like when I am talking to someone, for future reference.


When you reply to a poster, and dont indicate you are using a fast reply.. well... duh.. you do seem to have alot of problems getting your point across.

But, since you are "too tired" to indicate which you are using, its understandable why people have issues with your posting style.

Suck it up, get over being "too tired", or dont post... all your choices.

quote:

46 years old...and nobody calls me sweetheart unless they're trying to f*ck me...got that, hon?


Oh sweetheart... did i strike a nerve?

As to the rest... you simply arent worth any more of my time.

Do have an enjoyable day!

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to CynthiaWVirginia)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 9:40:46 AM   
angelikaJ


Posts: 8641
Joined: 6/22/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

46 years old...and nobody calls me sweetheart unless they're trying to f*ck me...got that, hon?


Oh sweetheart... did i strike a nerve?


Do have an enjoyable day!


tazzygirl,

I do hope the last bit, made you feel somehow better about yourself, this morning.

You seem to need it, but the cost is you look like an ass and a very young one at that.


As for your need to prove me wrong, I can only tell you my experience.

"This explains why a person who drinks large amounts of high-proof vodka (a more pure form of alcohol) may have only a faint smell of alcohol on the breath." (bolding mine)

I can read and comprehend quite well, so thank you for bringing that quote to my attention.

I usually seek out your posts in P&R. I often find them logical and well thought out.
I guess I somehow missed the argumentative part.

Discussion is different from argument, tazzygirl.
Not everything needs to be an argument.

Not every position defended until death.

Who the hell crapped in your cocoa-puffs this morning?

Edit quote trim, and grammar

< Message edited by angelikaJ -- 10/31/2010 9:42:00 AM >

_____________________________

The original home of the caffeinated psychotic hair pixies.
(as deemed by He who owns me)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3234821/tm.htm

30 fluffy points!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQjuCQd01sg

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:15:27 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		lol

i dont eat cocoa puffs.

And if you got your nose out of joint by my post, thats hardly my problem and it seems to be more of your issue than mine.

And its really cool how you stick up for Cynthia. This isnt the first time she and i had a disagreement on the boards. If you decide to take what i said to her personally, so be it. But to assume because people are having a debate that emotions do not become a part of that debate is being a bit short-sighted, in my opinion.

And im sorry i fell short of your belief in me, but, in all honesty, im not here for your approval. I was not posting to "prove you wrong" but if that is how you wish to take that, again, so be it. I tend to be rather careful about what i post, often taking a while to look things up and research before actually posting on a topic. And, please, dont take that as me saying you do not, i have no proof you dont. Some people's sense of smell is better than others... many are referred too as "noses" depending on the industry. But i think you got my post with cynthia, and what you believed to be my emotional state, crossed with my post to yours. I stated a fact, backed up by medical knowledge, as shown in my post. Now, if you wish to argue that, then do so.

quote:

tazzygirl,

I do hope the last bit, made you feel somehow better about yourself, this morning.

You seem to need it, but the cost is you look like an ass and a very young one at that.


You seem to imply you know my mental state this morning. Dont quit your day job!

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to angelikaJ)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:24:29 AM   
Elisabella


Posts: 3939
Status: offline
quote:

Lets say someone has a medical reason for using marijuana. I support that completely. But at what point to we determine they have overindulged and should know better than to drive? Thats the same with pain medications or muscle relaxers.

Thats the question... until we have an answer, i dont see this situtation changing.


Well standard field sobriety tests are able to draw a line somewhere (walk a straight line, recite the alphabet backwards, etc), those standards might not be as exact as a breathalyzer but with video in nearly every police car these days, they're able to be presented as evidence in court.

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:46:47 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		marijuana stays in your system 7 - 21 days, or so i thought. Seems to me that would be a good legal defense for someone trying to get out of a conviction.

Lets take me for example.. because i know me best!

I have bouts of vertigo. They come on with stress and sometimes dehydration. I have had one episode where it hit while i was driving. So, im in the car, a bout hits and im trying to get home as safely as possible. One time, when it happened, i was at work and got drug tested for cause because i was staggering down the hallway at the hospital. End result.. negative screen.

But, if i was using pot as a medical use for cancer, for example, my screen would have been positive and i would pay hell proving it wasnt in a court of law even with a Drs diagnosis of vertigo all because the screen came up positive.

I can see examples of abuse on both sides of the issue. People who use it for medical reasons, i would like to assume, are extremely careful and know the side effects. That doesnt mean they cant get caught up in the legal system for something they need medically and can use legally. That also doesnt prevent the pot head from getting away with abusing their condition either. Alcohol is one hour per drink... read that somewhere, i think.. lol. Vicodin has a half life of about 4 hours. Lortab has a half life of the same length as Vicodin, with a peak of about 90 minutes.

i dont think we have tests for marijuana that are sensitive enough to determine last use and to definitely state someone is impaired due to its use. But maybe thats just me.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Elisabella)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:54:02 AM   
hlen5


Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline 		I know that drug testing can take your hair and find use/abuse of drugs for weeks after. The Only way you can get around it is to shave your head (more than once)!

ETA:

I'm torn about legalizing IT. Lose the profit motive, good. Avoid arresting people who are harming no one but them selves, good. Implying that pot use is no big deal, mixed. Removing the taboo might make it lose it's allure. There are law enforcement officials on both sides of the issue.

I think legalizing it would be good in that we can get back to using hemp, which seems to be eco-friendly.

It's a toss-up for me.

< Message edited by hlen5 -- 10/31/2010 10:58:35 AM >

_____________________________



My fave Thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2626198/mpage_1/tm.htm

One time "Phallus Expert Extraordinaire"

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:56:32 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		lol.. true.. and as long as mine is.. god only knows how many years they can go back. But i also heard, and i have no proof, that they can use beard and mustache hair as well. And im surely NOT going farther south than that!

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to hlen5)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 10:59:33 AM   
hlen5


Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline 		I'm sure any hair follicle would show the same evidence!

_____________________________



My fave Thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2626198/mpage_1/tm.htm

One time "Phallus Expert Extraordinaire"

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 11:01:21 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		Then armpit hair... ok.

Pubic hair.. well... i aint dropping my pants for any test that isnt given by a GYN... unless there is something more in it for me, that is.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to hlen5)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 3:02:07 PM   
Charles6682


Posts: 1820
Joined: 10/1/2007
From: Saint Pete,FL
Status: offline 		Drug test only seem to harm those who smoke weed only.Other drug's are usually out of someone's system within a short time.Yet,of course,pot can stay in your system for a feww week's depending on how much you smoke........ Basically,it seem's like it's okay for me to do "ANYTHING" else but pot,but I better be careful not to smoke that stuff...... The debate is over.Pot should be legal.All of you who are saying it should stay illegal have continued to use the same old,outdated information you heard of with pot back in the 1940's...... The science is already there.The fact is,ALCOHOL is by far for danerous.Where's your outrage at the alcohol industry?I am not saying alcohol should become illegal,it shouldn't.......However,neither should pot remain illegal as well. I hear Canada is loosening up their law's up there,maybe I should just go up there.Canada has alway's seemed to be ahead of every issue before the USA finally play's catch-up.

_____________________________

Charley aka Sub Guy

http://www.Facebook.com/SubGuy

https://Twitter.com/SubGuy6682

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 3:19:04 PM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline 		The reason the argument is the same is the substance effects HAVE NOT changed.

Pot Kills brain cells, anyone who thinks other wise has probably been hitting the bong a little to hard. Pot impairs ones ability to think quickly again anyone who thinks otherwise has probably been hitting the bong a little to hard. Anyone who cannot put two and two together that driving while high isnt a smart Idea needs to put down the bong.....

Ive seen someone high driving, I have been the passanger in that car as the light turns from green to yellow to red, and the driver doesnt stop because he hasnt noticed because hes high. Ive been crashed into a guard rail as well as another car. So this bullshit that is harmless isnt the truth.

Until we have ways to inforce DUI in regards to pot, it shouldnt be legal. If it becomes legal Ill be the first one in line trying to get it over turned.

Americas already stupid enough....


_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to Charles6682)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 3:39:30 PM   
slvemike4u


Posts: 17896
Joined: 1/15/2008
From: United States
Status: offline 		As evidenced by your post....no one advocating the legalization of pot is suggesting driving while stoned.Will folks do so...yes just as they do now.....just as they do after drinking.
Is that how we make decisions now ..some folks use guns to shoot other folks...perhaps we should outlaw them?

_____________________________

If we want things to stay as they are,things will have to change...Tancredi from "the Leopard"

Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 5:28:07 PM   
OrionTheWolf


Posts: 7803
Joined: 10/11/2006
Status: offline 		~FR~

So how many people drive while taking prescription medication that violate DUI laws? As stated, people are going to combine things they shouldn't, and create a dangerous situation.

The questions are 1) If weed has beneficial medicinal uses, why can it not be prescribed just like other narcotics? 2) Beyond that, if I am doing something in the privacy of my own home that does not create a dangerous situation for others, should the government legislate it?

Seperate comparing it to anything else and focus on these two questions. Everything else is hyperbole.

_____________________________

When speaking of slaves people always tend to ignore this definition "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence."

(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 5:32:48 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline 		anyone who drives under the influence of any drug/alcohol deserves to get arrested.
Seen a car crash as the result of allergy medication and also one as a result of nyquil so its bloody stoopid to lay it all on the evil weed. Altho I agree the testing part of it is the problematic part

until then



_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to slvemike4u)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 5:32:52 PM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

2) Beyond that, if I am doing something in the privacy of my own home that does not create a dangerous situation for others, should the government legislate it?



Because Just as you know people ARENT just going to do it in the privacy of their own home, They are going to drive high, They are going to risk the lives of other people and they are going to kill innocent by-standards because "Yo man getting high is cool and its legal now"

If you or the law could assure people who are going to get high legally, a) are not going to do it around other, b) are not going to do it in enclosed spaces around children, c) are not going to then get in their car and drive, d) are not going to react badly to getting high, such as go in a manic rage.... I say Go for it. But because none of the above can be guaranteed, and we already have enough people dying because of alcohol why add gas to a fire we already cant contain.


_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to OrionTheWolf)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: Legalize IT - 10/31/2010 7:17:05 PM   
OrionTheWolf


Posts: 7803
Joined: 10/11/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

2) Beyond that, if I am doing something in the privacy of my own home that does not create a dangerous situation for others, should the government legislate it?



Because Just as you know people ARENT just going to do it in the privacy of their own home, They are going to drive high, They are going to risk the lives of other people and they are going to kill innocent by-standards because "Yo man getting high is cool and its legal now"


You mean like that evil sodomy? No there are many people that are responsible and will do it just in their homes. So, focus on that. Should the government tell you that you cannot have a blowjob in your bedroom, give/take it up the ass in your bedroom, or smoke a blunt in your bedroom. Leave it in the home for the moment and answer the question.

quote:


If you or the law could assure people who are going to get high legally, a) are not going to do it around other, b) are not going to do it in enclosed spaces around children, c) are not going to then get in their car and drive, d) are not going to react badly to getting high, such as go in a manic rage.... I say Go for it. But because none of the above can be guaranteed, and we already have enough people dying because of alcohol why add gas to a fire we already cant contain.



There are no assurances in life, and to think otherwise is naive. You use a strawman arguement that holds no weight. Many things can be dangerous, that are perfectly acceptable in public. There are many things that are acceptable that cause more deaths. So you are going to use the "what if" and "maybe" to justify an illogical conclusion.

I have had more near misses from people just being plain idiots driving than anything else. There is never a guarantee against idiots.

_____________________________

When speaking of slaves people always tend to ignore this definition "One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence."

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: Legalize IT - 11/1/2010 12:57:06 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

2) Beyond that, if I am doing something in the privacy of my own home that does not create a dangerous situation for others, should the government legislate it?



Danger isnt the rationale, it is the overall impact on society. I still think the social darwinism aspects would make it beneficial to society, as long as we arent expected to pay for their stupidity.

_____________________________

Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to OrionTheWolf)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: Legalize IT - 11/1/2010 4:41:35 PM   
JstAnotherSub


Posts: 6174
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

The reason the argument is the same is the substance effects HAVE NOT changed.

Pot Kills brain cells, anyone who thinks other wise has probably been hitting the bong a little to hard. Pot impairs ones ability to think quickly again anyone who thinks otherwise has probably been hitting the bong a little to hard. Anyone who cannot put two and two together that driving while high isnt a smart Idea needs to put down the bong.....

Ive seen someone high driving, I have been the passanger in that car as the light turns from green to yellow to red, and the driver doesnt stop because he hasnt noticed because hes high. Ive been crashed into a guard rail as well as another car. So this bullshit that is harmless isnt the truth.

Until we have ways to inforce DUI in regards to pot, it shouldnt be legal. If it becomes legal Ill be the first one in line trying to get it over turned.

Americas already stupid enough....

Living kills brain cells.  There is no need for any new DUI test for IT.  Just as you can have a glass of wine with dinner and drive, you can take a few hits of IT and be just fine.  If someone is impaired, it will show, and I don't really care if they're drunk or high on aspirin, they shouldn't be driving.

IT ain't acid, you do not see lil green men and I don't think anyone has nutted up and jumped off a roof or gone insane from IT since the year after "IT Madness" came out.

There are so many horrid things that are wrong in the world, I do not understand why someone would be so upset and against IT.

We need technology, it should not be illegal.

_____________________________

yep

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Legalize IT Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109