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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 2:58:20 PM   
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If only Tea Partiers were that intelligent and articulate.



I believe they prefer to be called Teabaggers. 

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 2:59:26 PM   
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Love the tea party. Where have they been for the last decade?

Jokes. Backed by those who love to be fucked.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:03:14 PM   
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"teabagging for Jesus".  If only they knew what that meant before committing it to a poster.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:07:07 PM   
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there silence on the matter says they don't mind.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:07:53 PM   
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And thanks to Treasure, for the find, and you for the thread, Firm. I'll be passing that one on.

It's interesting how many lefties and liberals are completely incompetent to discuss conservative thought, unless they are allowed to tell us what we think, and go from there, and even when get away with that, they must keep demonization close at hand.

Satire frightens them, and that's funny to me.


It's actually funnier how the term lefties has become so predominant on this board.

Especially from people who claim they are independent thinkers.


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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:08:40 PM   
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I believe in smaller much less intrusive government with enhanced individual liberties and ability to make one's own dicisions and mistakes.   And even tho the tea party met 71.3 miles from me, I didn't go.   Not a member.  But I do agree that they are entitled to both meet and have their own opinions.   

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:14:44 PM   
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True conversation between a "lefty" (myself) and a "conservative" Tea party head (my coworker).

Conservative: Did you know that the same guy who used to run Homeland Security, this guy Michael Chertoff, was hired by the same damn company that sells those scanners to the TSA, they need to grope grandmothers, because they are too damn afraid to profile!!! WE KNOW WHO THE DAMN TERRORISTS ARE!

Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?

Conservative: That's bullshit and this conversation is over.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 3:25:56 PM   
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Does anyone recall the very beginnings of the tea party movement and how it was tax reform based only? Sad to see how much it's changed.

It seems once it began to actually gain support and attention, conservatives then infiltrated the movement and inserted their own agendas. They couldn't have someone outdoing them, of course.

I recall going to a Tea Party gathering in my small city when they were first starting to have town meetings, and maybe 8 thousand people showed up. As it began, they had many conservative guest speakers who took their minutes to speak about religion, and how it was linked to the movement ... blah blah blah. Over half of the people in attendance immediately left... but what was even more concerning were those who stayed behind, as I did with my extremely conservative friend. Just had to see what was going on and how it was going to play out.

Needless to say, it was easy to see this movement would be captured and redirected, even to a fault, by the conservative group.

(disclaimer, I pick neither side when it comes to left/right politics.. {they all suck})

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 4:01:20 PM   
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FR awww the baggers are "out smugging' each other how cute...
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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 4:05:14 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 4:31:35 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 4:39:10 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

But civilian employees are not trained, nor required to fight wars, nor put their "lives and sacred honor" in harm's way.

Which is the point of civilian support of military forces: allowing soldiers to do what they are trained to do.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 4:54:35 PM   
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Firm,

I guess my question to you is, if the Tea Party is philosophically the same as the Libertarians, then why did this group of individuals not just ally themselves with a party that is ALREADY IN EXISTENCE (ie, the Libertarian party) that has, for nearly 40 years, already been working towards those very same goals that this cartoon states that the Tea Partiers are working towards? If there is no functional difference, then why re-invent the wheel? Instead, you could put your support behind the existing Libertarian party.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 5:00:49 PM   
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Firm,

I guess my question to you is, if the Tea Party is philosophically the same as the Libertarians, then why did this group of individuals not just ally themselves with a party that is ALREADY IN EXISTENCE (ie, the Libertarian party) that has, for nearly 40 years, already been working towards those very same goals that this cartoon states that the Tea Partiers are working towards? If there is no functional difference, then why re-invent the wheel? Instead, you could put your support behind the existing Libertarian party.

Calla,

I can't answer that specifically, but I suspect that the issue is actually about winning elections through a party that they had the greatest chance of affecting, and which had the greatest chance of making an impact on the current government.

Regardless of what some may think of libertarian principles, historically the party of that name has not been very successful politically.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 5:23:09 PM   
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Calla,

I can't answer that specifically, but I suspect that the issue is actually about winning elections through a party that they had the greatest chance of affecting, and which had the greatest chance of making an impact on the current government.

Regardless of what some may think of libertarian principles, historically the party of that name has not been very successful politically.

Firm



That doesn't make sense, Firm. If those who claim that the reason that they're in the Tea Party is because they espouse libertarian philosophies had actually -vacated- the Republican party and allied themselves with the Libertarian party, I suspect that that would have made a fundamental enough shift of electoral power that the Libertarian party would have made some headway.

No political organization that I know of in history has -ever- been effectively "changed from the inside". Rather, those who slip inside of a political organization have been -digested- and assimilated into the greater body of the philosophical creature. This is regardless of whether that entity has been the Democratic, Green, Libertarian, Republican, Tea Party.... it is a function of overwhelming mass.

If the purpose of the Tea Party was to espouse libertarian philosophies, trying to yank the head of a barreling freight train around to a new track wasn't the way to go about it. it makes much more sense that a mass exodus from the Republican party might have made the point much more effectively by proving that the party had moved -away- from the direction desired by a large portion of its membership. Therefore, it seems to me much more likely that the goal was NOT to further libertarian philosophies, as the cartoon that you presented intimated, but to use the smoke screen of "libertarian philosophies" to find a rationale to distance oneself from the underlying -unpalatable- philosophical stance represented by a rather large and vocal segment of the Tea Party participants.

It cannot be denied that there is a large, visible, and very vocal contingent within the Tea Party who have, in word and deed, tried to force their religious beliefs on others, and who have denied the humanity of those who do not share their perceptions of gender, marriage, or race -- and are willing to destroy the Constitution to compel those beliefs on the entire population. Even conservative pundits have commented on such... some praising, some questioning, but it is pretty much acknowledged as a visible segment of the Tea Party population. Now perhaps that is -not- the goal of the majority of those who are involved in the Tea Party movement, but if that is the case, then, once again, it seems that the appropriate action for those who disagree with the individuals who may or may not have co-opted the Tea Party for their own agendas would be mass exodus from the offending party.

For myself. I -do- believe in smaller, more effective centralized government... AND I believe that there are certain responsibilities that this smaller government has towards its population that must be met -- because unless the government is in place for the service and protection of the well-being of its constituency, it serves absolutely NO purpose whatsoever, and should be dismantled and replaced by a government that -does- understand how to focus on its core responsibilities (which, BTW, do not, IMO, involve legislating morality)... and for those reasons, I will choose to remain Libertarian.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 6:00:02 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 


I'd have preferred not having the war in the first place. Then we wouldn't have needed to  hire anyone to do what we paid them to do.


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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 6:08:08 PM   
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Does anyone recall the very beginnings of the tea party movement and how it was tax reform based only? Sad to see how much it's changed.

It seems once it began to actually gain support and attention, conservatives then infiltrated the movement and inserted their own agendas. They couldn't have someone outdoing them, of course.

Needless to say, it was easy to see this movement would be captured and redirected, even to a fault, by the conservative group.



And right on cue...

Social conservatives plan ways to advance their agenda via Tea Party-backed candidates.

"The GOP won all statewide races on the ballot in Kansas for the first time since 1964. Republicans picked up 16 seats in the state House, giving the GOP an overwhelming 92-33 advantage.

Abortion opponents now plan to make the state as close to an abortion-free zone as possible. Proposed measures would impose new regulations for clinics, restrictions on late-term procedures and increased reporting requirements for physicians. Vetoes by outgoing Democratic Gov. Mark Parkinson and his predecessors blocked such action in the past.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lance Kinzer, who serves on Brownback's transition team, said action against embryonic stem cell research and to allow "covenant" marriages, which are harder to dissolve than standard marriages, are likely to be considered, too.

"There's a lot of unfinished business out there, isn't there?" Kinzer said."


But I am sure they are all really just fiscal conservatives who identify with the principal of a smaller, less intrusive central government...which has the power to force you to carry a pregnancy to term and deny you a divorce.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 6:40:21 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have preferred.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

But civilian employees are not trained, nor required to fight wars, nor put their "lives and sacred honor" in harm's way.

Which is the point of civilian support of military forces: allowing soldiers to do what they are trained to do.

Firm



And the independent Government Accountability Office concluded that Halliburton was the only company that could have provided the services the Army needed at the outset of the war and was thus justified in having received the noncompetitive contract.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/politics/campaign/06fact.html 

As far as not being put in harm's way. . . has everyone forgotten the Baghdad incident? 

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 6:55:22 PM   
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I personally know 3 libertarians that ran on a rep ticket as oibs get little to no funding as a lib

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 6:57:22 PM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?

I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Actually, when they were investigated for fraud they admitted that they had inadequate internal systems for cost control, contracting, and finance.

Firm, contractors can walk away when the firing starts.  Not the same as military; the use of contractors avoids the political pain of having a draft.

I'm with Calla regarding the Libertarian party.  Tea party folks would've added enough people to make it a viable option for once.

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