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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 7:39:23 PM   
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I'm with Calla regarding the Libertarian party.  Tea party folks would've added enough people to make it a viable option for once.




Nope. It would have split the conservative/anti-Democrat/pissed-off Independent vote, and left the Dems in much better shape through the mid-terms. Hence, all the people who despise the Tea Party and conservatives in general, offering such helpful advice on what they should have done differently.

Libertarian philosophy has many elements I like, but the party of the same name seems driven by over-educated, pissy tempered, potheads, and people who don't care what the dead car in their front yard does to the neighbors property values.



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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 8:58:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had such HUGE hopes for the tea party when it first emerged. Then, I noticed that the message went from 'smaller less intrusive government" to kissing the ass of the hard core religious right and they lost me.

Maybe next time.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 8:59:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

It's actually funnier how the term lefties has become so predominant on this board.

Especially from people who claim they are independent thinkers.





Thats the power of persuasion, and of independent thought for you. I'm sure you are equally concerned at the hate-speech directed at the "Rethuglinazis" from your little friends.

Besides, RML, it doesn't include you anyway. You are in the libtard/teabaggee section.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 9:12:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		So the Tea Party went with the party that could help them get elected instead of the one they were more aligned with.. So much for integrity...

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 10:41:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I had such HUGE hopes for the tea party when it first emerged. Then, I noticed that the message went from 'smaller less intrusive government" to kissing the ass of the hard core religious right and they lost me.

You'll have to source that for me.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 10:45:05 PM   
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I'm posting after several adult beverages, and therefore do not trust myself to completely address your issues.  I plan on doing so after I've had a night's sleep.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 10:56:11 PM   
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I see... this must have been written by a Democrat, eh? 



Actually I'm more of an independent. I have voted for republicans. But, it's been quite awhile since they've run a candidate with any depth or wealth of knowledge.

I would have been fine with McCain being president until he chose Palin for Vice. And now her mentality has taken over the republican party.




Licken, welcome aboard. I'm an Independant too.
But be warned, if you say something the lefties in here disagree with they'll label you a "conservative."
I haven't voted for any politically correct, goose-stepping Democrats in a while now, they're just *too-fuckin-stupid!*
Just picture a 300 lbs woman having a "flabalanch" as she runs/waddles out of Walmart eating popcorn, her size "65" spandex pants s-t-r-a-i-n-i-n-g at the bit and gets into her car and speeds home so she won't miss Jery Springer. That's a Democrat for you.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 11:20:53 PM   
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So the Tea Party went with the party that could help them get elected instead of the one they were more aligned with.. So much for integrity...


Unfortunately, politics involves having to do things you don't necessarily agree with and can't completely endorse.  I'm sure President Obama would prefer not to have to compromise with the Republicans in Congress, just as I'm sure the Republicans in Congress would prefer not to have to try to work with the Democrats there. 

I don't view it as a lack of integrity.  It's just learning to get along so something can be accomplished.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 11:37:22 PM   
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So the Tea Party went with the party that could help them get elected instead of the one they were more aligned with.. So much for integrity...
they are not vetted


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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 11:51:14 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdgEB14N3gE&feature=related

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/27/2010 11:56:49 PM   
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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 1:03:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mithra

What's the tea party's position on Dick Cheney getting us into an illegal war and getting the government to spend billions of dollars in taxes to his old corporation Halliburton? They don't like big government but they don't seem to mind that.


They would have no position since it didnt happen.

And you might try to brush up. Your asinine huffpo talking points are about 5 years old now.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 1:08:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vehemently

Does anyone recall the very beginnings of the tea party movement and how it was tax reform based only? Sad to see how much it's changed.

It seems once it began to actually gain support and attention, conservatives then infiltrated the movement and inserted their own agendas. They couldn't have someone outdoing them, of course.

Needless to say, it was easy to see this movement would be captured and redirected, even to a fault, by the conservative group.



And right on cue...

Social conservatives plan ways to advance their agenda via Tea Party-backed candidates.

"The GOP won all statewide races on the ballot in Kansas for the first time since 1964. Republicans picked up 16 seats in the state House, giving the GOP an overwhelming 92-33 advantage.

Abortion opponents now plan to make the state as close to an abortion-free zone as possible. Proposed measures would impose new regulations for clinics, restrictions on late-term procedures and increased reporting requirements for physicians. Vetoes by outgoing Democratic Gov. Mark Parkinson and his predecessors blocked such action in the past.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lance Kinzer, who serves on Brownback's transition team, said action against embryonic stem cell research and to allow "covenant" marriages, which are harder to dissolve than standard marriages, are likely to be considered, too.

"There's a lot of unfinished business out there, isn't there?" Kinzer said."

But I am sure they are all really just fiscal conservatives who identify with the principal of a smaller, less intrusive central government...which has the power to force you to carry a pregnancy to term and deny you a divorce.


And right on cue, AnimusPoo.

Abortion protects the rights of individuals (called fetuses). Protection of rights is not intrusion. And ALLOWING VOLUNTARY covenant marriages isnt denying anyone a divorce.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 1:11:25 AM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have preferred.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

But civilian employees are not trained, nor required to fight wars, nor put their "lives and sacred honor" in harm's way.

Which is the point of civilian support of military forces: allowing soldiers to do what they are trained to do.

Firm



And the independent Government Accountability Office concluded that Halliburton was the only company that could have provided the services the Army needed at the outset of the war and was thus justified in having received the noncompetitive contract.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/politics/campaign/06fact.html 

As far as not being put in harm's way. . . has everyone forgotten the Baghdad incident? 


And the DoD during the Clinton Administration entered into dozens of sole source contracts with Halliburton companies, and awarded some contracts to them even though they were more expensive in competitive bidding when there was a competitor.

But why let capabilities get in the way of a talking point.

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 4:44:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

But civilian employees are not trained, nor required to fight wars, nor put their "lives and sacred honor" in harm's way.

Which is the point of civilian support of military forces: allowing soldiers to do what they are trained to do.

Firm



Or we need more soldiers to pull KP and Trucking companies (more trucks too) etc etc etc   which would GROW the military

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 7:42:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

And thanks to Treasure, for the find, and you for the thread, Firm. I'll be passing that one on.

It's interesting how many lefties and liberals are completely incompetent to discuss conservative thought, unless they are allowed to tell us what we think, and go from there, and even when get away with that, they must keep demonization close at hand.

Satire frightens them, and that's funny to me.


It's actually funnier how the term lefties has become so predominant on this board.

Especially from people who claim they are independent thinkers.




Yea, they just don't seem to have the flair for coming up with insulting names like the ones on the left do. Maybe they didn't spend enough time on the playground as they should have.


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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 7:42:30 AM   
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Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?



I am curious as to which other company you would have prefered.  Which other company had the same resources and capabilities? 

Most of what Haliburton was paid to do the US armed forces used to do and do more cheaply than Haliburton. I'm fairly confidant privates can still steal peel potatoes, clean latrines and do laundry.

But civilian employees are not trained, nor required to fight wars, nor put their "lives and sacred honor" in harm's way.

Which is the point of civilian support of military forces: allowing soldiers to do what they are trained to do.

Firm


So why precisely should we pay more for those things than when the armed forces did them internally? If you want to have civilians do them then it should cost the same or less than when soldiers did them.

I'll remind you that one of KBR's contracts worked out to $80 per plate for food that was so bad some field commanders had their men eat MRE's rather than go to the chow halls. And that money certainly didn't go to the employees, KBR hired employees from places like Bangladesh to work in the chow halls and paid them incredibly low wages. So $80 a plate should have meant top quality fresh food but instead our soldiers got spoiled food served by untrained cooks from third world countries. Wonder what the profit margin was on that $80? $75?

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 7:45:56 AM   
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True conversation between a "lefty" (myself) and a "conservative" Tea party head (my coworker).

Conservative: Did you know that the same guy who used to run Homeland Security, this guy Michael Chertoff, was hired by the same damn company that sells those scanners to the TSA, they need to grope grandmothers, because they are too damn afraid to profile!!! WE KNOW WHO THE DAMN TERRORISTS ARE!

Lefty: Yes I did. That sucks. Did you know 6 years ago VP Dick Cheney went around congress and pushed us into a war and as a consequence made billions of dollars for the company he used to run, Halliburton?

Conservative: That's bullshit and this conversation is over.


You forgot the ending where you wake up feeling oh so superior about yourself and quickly write down the dream before you forget it.


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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 10:28:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but the video in the OP was a retaliation response to the original video, linked here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUfPQVOqpw&feature=related

Hilarious!

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RE: So you're a Tea Partier? - 11/28/2010 10:46:54 AM   
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thankyou I knew I had seen this before:)



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