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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:00:34 AM   
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Maybe I'm a freak but I really don't get this weight = lack of control/lack of dominance thing. Some guys I like heavy, some guys I don't.
Really? I don't believe that. I think you do get it and you just don't agree with it (for the record, neither do I).

If you mean that I understand intellectually that some people judge by that, yes I do. But I don't fundamentally 'get it'.
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Look, let's be serious here. Right off that bat, some women will judge dominance on the basis of freakin wardrobe. So pretty much anything is "in scope" in terms of what constitutes dominance for someone somewhere. I'm sure that a whole raft of women here could tell you what an un-domly hairstyle was. The same is probably true of "self control". They care about it because they care.

I know intellectually that some women do that. I don't get that either.
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Finally, is the rather obvious conclusion that being overweight is mal-adapted in pretty much every way possible.

That's an opinion I just don't share. It depends on the level of their weight and what their doctor says about their health. I know first hand it's entirely possible to be overweight and healthy.
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It's a lot like smoking (note, I struggle with smoking on and off). It'd be a mistake to say that I am generally undisciplined. But it's certainly true to say that I lack self control where nicotine is present. Now, us humans do all sorts of things every day that are sub-optimal and this is no different. But at least some people care about it a great deal. I would totally understand if someone looked at my running battle with nicotine and declared me "undisciplined". What I'd understand is that for them, that's an important thing. What else I understand is that by the numbers, cigarettes are a bad thing. I'm not going to start calling my smoking habit a good thing whether or not I do it. The same is true of obesity -- possibly even more true -- the jury is out on which is more deadly.

As I've stated, I understand that for some it's very important and that for them it's a deal breaker. This makes perfect sense to me. I simply don't understand applying terms to people they haven't spoken with.
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And, finally, from the dom side... the biggest reason I care about Carol's body fat is that I would be an irresponsible owner if I didn't. I care about my own for the same reason. In my eyes, that'd be an awful lot like the guy who goes out and waxes his car every other day till it glows but can't be bothered to take it for it's scheduled maintenance. Taking care of her base mechanics is a part of the deal I signed up for when I took ownership of her. So I educated myself as best I was able (at length) regarding the [physical] care and feeding of humans and now I'm executing to that knowledge. When I signed up to own a human, I signed up for the Physical, Emotional, Intellectual, and Spiritual care and feeding thereof. I expect Carol to do her job to a very high standard of excellence. It's entirely reasonable to expect the same of myself.

Which is all gravy.
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Note. I'm not really trying to support the viewpoint that fat = "no self control". What I'm saying is that it IS a viewpoint that at least some have and it's not that hard to understand the roots of it. Frankly, it's a LOT more understandable than things like wardrobe and hairstyle.


Please show me where I said that it wasn't a viewpoint. I can intellectually understand the roots of it and still not get it Jeff. And I don't get it because, as I mentioned earlier, I have considerable first hand experience with overweight and incredibly in control men.

So yes, I know that it's a deal breaker. I completely understand and get that. I understand that some people apply labels to strangers based on weight just as some people apply labels based on race. But I don't get it. I know it. It just doesn't make sense to me.


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:01:31 AM   
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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:01:57 AM   
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Thats because we are always hungry!

That's why I like to put them on diets when we get together!



A cock-free diet??? WTF??????


I've been on one of those diets for a year now. Thankfully, I've come across some decent dietary supplements.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:02:01 AM   
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Whew!! you had me scared. There are enough fad diets without adding the cock-free one to the list.

Lol

No worries you'll have plenty to digest..

Zinnnnnnnnng


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:02:05 AM   
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...and studies have shown that men are more likely to be unfaithful but that doesn't mean I'll agree with the conclusion....
Heh, jury's out in my mind, more recent studies are pointing to the idea that men and women cheat equally (which is, by the way, a mathematical necessity). Women, however, have a much larger social incentive to lie about it. I actually find this little bit fascinating. It is NOT POSSIBLE for men to cheat more than women. That has been demonstrated roughly 2 gajillion times by mathematicians not marriage councilors. Yet still people believe in it. That belief is a lot like believing that gravity is a myth.

Even so, I understand why people think that.



why of course it's mathematically possible! you see, it's quite simple really: there are 10-20 single but incredibly loose and slutty women out there who all the cheating men on planet earth are boning! come on Jeff, it's perfectly logical!

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:04:22 AM   
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Thankfully, I've come across some decent dietary supplements.

There's no substitute for a hearty meal, though.


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:06:48 AM   
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...and studies have shown that men are more likely to be unfaithful but that doesn't mean I'll agree with the conclusion....
Heh, jury's out in my mind, more recent studies are pointing to the idea that men and women cheat equally (which is, by the way, a mathematical necessity). Women, however, have a much larger social incentive to lie about it. I actually find this little bit fascinating. It is NOT POSSIBLE for men to cheat more than women. That has been demonstrated roughly 2 gajillion times by mathematicians not marriage councilors. Yet still people believe in it. That belief is a lot like believing that gravity is a myth.

Even so, I understand why people think that.



Interesting. The last studies I read (admittedly a few years ago) showed that men cheated more. Could you link to your studies please?

- Aqua, always on the hunt for new facts

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:07:57 AM   
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Which is all gravy.



Okay I'm gone..This has been a huh huh hooot.


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:14:33 AM   
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why of course it's mathematically possible! you see, it's quite simple really: there are 10-20 single but incredibly loose and slutty women out there who all the cheating men on planet earth are boning! come on Jeff, it's perfectly logical!



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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:16:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is totally off-topic, but... am I missing something?  *How* is it "impossible" for men to cheat more than women?

If you're basing this on the supposed 50/50 split between men and women population-wise... that doesn't add up, because it's not about the number of men and women there are, total, but rather the number of each who are involved in relationships, and the percentage of THAT number who are guilty of cheating.

Perhaps you consider both parties involved in any sort of "dalliance" to be "cheating"?  That's your prerogative, I suppose, but from my point of view... unless you're having romantic or physical relations with someone other than the person you're (supposedly) in a committed relationship with, you're not guilty of cheating.  Therefore, if an attached man or woman has an "affair" with an unattached man or woman, only the attached person in that equation is technically a cheater.  The other person is, at worst, an "enabler," let's say.

Besides which, it could also be possible (as someone jokingly pointed out upthread) that a smaller number of men are having sex with a larger number of women, or vice versa.  Either of which would also throw off the curve.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:40:11 AM   
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Ok then, so far I have been called a judgemental cunt, a whore, stupid, a fat bitch, and all the other crap I'm not going to bother looking back for.


I remember reading all this crap, starting on page 1. In fact, this thread amazes me in how many people read into the OP things that were not stated, and overlooked things that were stated. I think Annie showed a commendable amount of patience, especially given the unwarranted personal attacks.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:44:49 AM   
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i personally couldn't tolerate addictive behaviors, of any sort (including smoking, drinking, even sex), as that's such a glaring example of lack of discipline and control.


Greetings daddysprop,

Are you sure we're not related?

Your comments echo my sentiments on the subject and get the crux of how I feel about behaviors that may have spiraled out of control that the individual is consciously ignoring and has no intention of addressing but believes he's qualified to manage in someone else. I'm not suggesting that being overweight or indulging in the other behaviors mentioned makes him unfit to master someone, but simply acknowledge that an omission of balance in these things (and others) would make him an unsuitable candidate for me. While compromise is a fact of life, ones willingness to do so (and the degree we bend) is largely influenced by our perception of the other person and desire (read need) for attachment.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:44:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not recall personal attacks however... being that I was singled out...

Please show me where I called the OP a cunt, bitch, fat, or etc. I would really like to know. I have, repeatedly, questioned why she would assume she knows something about someone's self control from information isn't even there but I have not called her names or insulted her. Sadly, she can't say the same towards me.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:49:31 AM   
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...insults a bunch of women, especially BonesFromAsh, compliments a man...

I found this odd, since one of BonesFromAsh's posts essentially linked to one of my posts and said she agreed with it.  In case you forgot, that post of mine (and one subsequent to it) did not call you a four-letter word.  I did, however, say you were living in your mind, instead of dating men in real life, so it was pointless for people to try to change your perspective.

I really think you should turn off the computer and have a man take you to dinner and a movie.

In the meantime, here's a question to ponder.  Do you think it is fair to say that only dumb cunts insult the handicapped?  Or is that too harsh?


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:52:23 AM   
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Ok then, so far I have been called a judgemental cunt, a whore, stupid, a fat bitch, and all the other crap I'm not going to bother looking back for.


I remember reading all this crap, starting on page 1. In fact, this thread amazes me in how many people read into the OP things that were not stated, and overlooked things that were stated. I think Annie showed a commendable amount of patience, especially given the unwarranted personal attacks.


Hmmm, I made mention of "lemming-ness" and referenced her own use of the word shallow, but other than that......I'm confused.

If you feel offering an opinon about a topic when that is exactly what the OP requested a "personal attack" then I'm even more confused.

Ah well...just another fat thread for the archives of CM.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:53:24 AM   
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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 11:59:19 AM   
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Careful or she'll make assumptions about your workplace too. 

Ha!  My profile is hidden now.  Neener neener.  Everyone can assumpt away.


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:00:13 PM   
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why of course it's mathematically possible! you see, it's quite simple really: there are 10-20 single but incredibly loose and slutty women out there who all the cheating men on planet earth are boning! come on Jeff, it's perfectly logical!



You must know my friends.




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don't tell anyone but....











i'm one of those women! haha!

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:01:11 PM   
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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:02:12 PM   
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i'm one of those women! haha!



Your secret is safe with me!


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