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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:07:22 PM   
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I bet you're a nasty troll

and I'm grossly obese.


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:12:11 PM   
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I knew it! And you are the sort who has hairy warts. *firm nod*


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:12:31 PM   
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I bet you're a nasty troll

and I'm grossly obese.



You just get sexier and sexier every time I read your posts.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 12:34:39 PM   
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...insults a bunch of women, especially BonesFromAsh, compliments a man...

I found this odd, since one of BonesFromAsh's posts essentially linked to one of my posts and said she agreed with it................


I missed this post...crap, do I need to worry about my eyes now also ?!?!

Red, like I said before in this thread...you're a smart man, dominant or otherwise.


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In the meantime, here's a question to ponder.  Do you think it is fair to say that only dumb cunts insult the handicapped?  Or is that too harsh?



Hey now....if the handicapped comment was related to me in any way, just know that the placard is only temporary. I still like to hobble slowly along....it annoys folks when I'm crossing the street, I like to say I'm practicing my "mindful walking" and, according to the OP, I need to get moving.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 1:49:19 PM   
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If I were to take the OP and replace the overweight=lack of self discipline by saying I dismiss blonds because they are dumb how would everyone react? I mean it is a common stereotype that many believe.

Which is different from saying I prefer brunettes or redheads or even I prefer intelligent people over dumb ones.

That's the difference. I would take no issue in someone saying I skip over profiles if someone is short or someone is blond or someone is heavier then I care for. Or profiles who like humiliation or gags or whatnot. These are concrete things that can be seen or read within a profile.

Now the OP was asking opinions on her logic and whether people agreed or not and she did seem to believe it was good logic based on herself and her own struggle.

But much like a blond might be insulted by such an assumption-especially if she's some fancy scientist with a PhD it's quite natural that someone heavier who is very disciplined is likewise going to take offense. Did weight even need to come into the OP's post? Could it not merely have been a thread questioning if a dom lacks self discipline would you be able to see him as being qualified to be your master? Or even a thread questioning what qualities people need in one?

It's one thing to attack a picture for what one sees and entirely another to attack the person whom you don't have a clue about and know absolutely nothing about. That's what I took issue with.

ETA: I also think most on here would have reacted differently if the blond assumption had been made based on a pic.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 2:46:21 PM   
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I have been rejected so many times because of my weight, it doesn't even phase me anymore, online and offline. I'm still going to bypass a profile which I feel is grossly overweight. I'm going to bypass profiles with needleplay. I'm going to bypass profiles with electric play. If you drag me to an opera, I will bring a barf bag.

A friend of mine had foot surgery on BOTH her feet....it took a year and a half doing one foot at a time. She gained 7 lbs.

Another friend of mine got ran over by some deer on his harley. I guess they thought he was a fence. He was in a coma for 11 days. We were planning his funeral when he came out of it, thank goodness. A year and a half later, he looks better than I have ever seen him. He said he wasn't going to be a fat couch potato because he is disabled. He walks with his cane, does exercises sitting and laying down and carefully watches his diet.

I should show him this thread....talk about someone who can swing some smack around...lol. He'd make Icarys look like one of the seven dwarfs.

Ok, I'm ready for my attacks because I said dwarf. :)

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 2:53:47 PM   
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I'm still waiting for you to show me where I called you a cunt, fat bitch, etc to justify your comments about kicking my 'fat ass' *hums patiently*

Though I will be surprised if someone goes after the word dwarf. It may not be some little people's term of choice but it's midget that seems the most un-PC from my browsing of Wikipedia. By the way, that's another perk of being the manager of a slow store. I get to look up interesting facts. Which my customers actually appreciate that I have to time to do - they like the smaller stores where an employee can take the time to look up the complete history and use of a particular plant for them at a whim. 

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 2:55:39 PM   
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I absolutely wouldn't be able to submit to someone who was overweight. I do see it as a lack of self control.
Is it judgmental? Absofuckinglutely. Of course I'm going to be judgmental towards the person who may be controlling my life.
I'd be crazy not to be. If that makes me seem shallow then oh well...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 2:58:50 PM   
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AquaticSub, my sincerest apologies. Really.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:02:37 PM   
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Apology appreciated.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:13:22 PM   
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I have been rejected so many times because of my weight, it doesn't even phase me anymore, online and offline. I'm still going to bypass a profile which I feel is grossly overweight.


Which is fine but state it for what it is. Don't make it about self discipline when it's really about weight.


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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Another friend of mine got ran over by some deer on his harley. I guess they thought he was a fence. He was in a coma for 11 days. We were planning his funeral when he came out of it, thank goodness. A year and a half later, he looks better than I have ever seen him. He said he wasn't going to be a fat couch potato because he is disabled. He walks with his cane, does exercises sitting and laying down and carefully watches his diet.



Thank goodness you knew him ahead of time or you may have passed him by based on a pic. Which one can do but again *if* it was him you were making the assumption about you can see how your original claim and assumptions were so far off their mark. Seems to me like it's a poor way to assess someone potential. They, like you, may be actually going down the same path at the same time...how can one tell from a weight or a pic?

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:18:12 PM   
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That's an opinion I just don't share. It depends on the level of their weight and what their doctor says about their health. I know first hand it's entirely possible to be overweight and healthy.

*nods* And, actually, I know this to be true also. I'm mindful of the woman I watched on TV who was clearly overweight.. maybe even obese by the medical standards... counting either body fat OR BMI. Yet even so, her cholesterol, blood pressure, blood sugar and insulin levels, etc. were all very positive. The extra fat didn't stop her from running marathons either. Of course, it's also true that 66% of the people who smoke don't die of cigarettes. I'm still not calling cigarettes a good thing. It's also true that a relatively small percentage of us just plain have really resilient genes. These are the "lived hard and fast till the age of 103" folks. But for most of us, doing unhealthy things carries a price tag with it. I'm going to stop this particular line of reasoning here. I had no patience for people arguing that cigarette smoking was not a health problem (back when I smoked) and I have the same lack of patience for this argument.

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...Which is all gravy

to YOU. To ME, it is a core part of the responsibility I signed up for... .responsibility, I might add, that I'd truly prefer not to have. I am here to tell you that it is WAY more fun to command Carol to blow me than it is to command her to reshape her relationship with food, exercise, and alcohol. So it's not like I'm doing this because I don't have better things to do. I'm pretty OK with deciding for myself what is and is not gravy to me. Does it help you to know that your attitude is just as mystifying to me as mine is to yours? I am baffled how anyone could call the physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual health of someone... "gravy". What the hell is the meat then?

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Interesting. The last studies I read (admittedly a few years ago) showed that men cheated more. Could you link to your studies please?

No. I wouldn't give you links to studies showing that 1+1 <> 3. Why on earth would I link this? Both the mathematics and the studies are trivial to find.
ADDENDUM:
I'm retracting the mathematics part for now... I'm suddenly a bit unclear on the exact nature of the things being studied AND on the details of the math involved. I want to check my work on the mathematics. It is certainly true that men and women have similar numbers of lifetime partners. There are definite relationships between that and fidelity and marriage rates but I'm suddenly wanting to double check my work on that.


If you really care, search for real studies, not magazine polls. And search post 2005-ish. Be CAREFUL what you read. There are radical differences between the following statements:

~15% of women admit to cheating when asked face to face.
~40% of women admit to cheating when asked anonymously.
~50% of women admit to cheating when they believe they are hooked to a polygraph (no real polygraph needed)
~?? of women actually cheated.

For bonus points, let's play guess how many babies are actually the biological product of their alleged father. (Nobody knows right now, but as the data starts to trickle in, if you're thinking anything higher than 85%, you're almost certainly wrong. As the cost of DNA testing continues to drop though, we are bound to find out given that every single one of these instances represents theft in the amount of 200k - 1.5m). The bottom line is that we are just now starting to study ACTUAL human mating habits (and we are struggling to do so.. we HATE looking at that). And the data that is coming out flies in the face of conventional wisdom some categories... supports it in other.

Just for the record, I'm not saying women are bad. I happen to really, really like women.. more than men as a matter of fact. Most of my friends are female. What is emerging though is the real clear understanding that women are not any more pure or faithful or virtuous than men. In fact, they're about the same but they lie more (due to a higher social cost for telling the truth).

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:21:48 PM   
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Fair enough.

I've known him since I was 14, he practically helped raise me....lol. And yes, I would have passed his profile up if he was grossly overweight. And considering he can be one of the biggest horses ass out of all of my friends, it would be a mute point. :)

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:35:29 PM   
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Ok, I'm ready for my attacks because I said dwarf. :)

It's little people, you fat bitch!

That was me being facetious again just in-case we weren't sure I was joking.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:37:16 PM   
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I absolutely wouldn't be able to submit to someone who was overweight. I do see it as a lack of self control.
Is it judgmental? Absofuckinglutely. Of course I'm going to be judgmental towards the person who may be controlling my life.
I'd be crazy not to be. If that makes me seem shallow then oh well...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

All that coming from an ass to mouth girl.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:39:49 PM   
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~15% of women admit to cheating when asked face to face.
~40% of women admit to cheating when asked anonymously.
~50% of women admit to cheating when they believe they are hooked to a polygraph (no real polygraph needed)
~?? of women actually cheated.

Where did you get that shit from? whoresareus.com?


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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:53:52 PM   
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Ok, I'm ready for my attacks because I said dwarf. :)

It's little people, you fat bitch!

That was me being facetious again just in-case we weren't sure I was joking.


lol....bite me little boy

That was me being facetious again just in-case we weren't sure I was joking

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 3:55:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

I absolutely wouldn't be able to submit to someone who was overweight. I do see it as a lack of self control.
Is it judgmental? Absofuckinglutely. Of course I'm going to be judgmental towards the person who may be controlling my life.
I'd be crazy not to be. If that makes me seem shallow then oh well...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

All that coming from an ass to mouth girl.



Yeah well...I'm picky as to who goes in my ass. You can bet your ass (no pun intended) that he's in shape and good looking to earn that honor.
Shorey fits the bill quite nicely. He's perfect for me. But had he been overweight in the initial pic he sent me, our relationship never would have progressed beyond that. And I can guarantee that had I been overweight in my profile pic, he never would have contacted me.

I don't think there's anything wrong at all in making decisions based on visuals. People do it all of the time. But for some reason, some things are politically correct and some are not. If some dom had really crappy teeth and bad breath because he had poor hygiene and a sub judged him because of that, it would be acceptable. For some reason, weight is not.
My first filter in chosing a partner is visual. If he passes my requirements of what I find attractive and necessary in a partner then I'll move to the get to know you stage. From there, there's a bunch of other things (personality) that are needed for any kind of attraction to continue.

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 4:02:13 PM   
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Hi Aileen....just start on page one :)

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RE: Weight and Master/Dom control - 12/1/2010 4:04:57 PM   
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I've been here long enough to know exactly how this thread has progressed for 13 pages without reading any of the 13.
Blah blah blah.
Still makes no difference to me.


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