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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 9:52:34 PM   
tazzygirl


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As far as the mandate is concerned on that I agree with you. I think the mandate was unnecessary and it was demanded by the health insurance companies. I think it's unfortunate the government caved in to the health care industry and put in a mandate. I could care less if the Supreme Court agrees with the judge in Virginia. I think the mandate is unnecessary and people will migrate to voluntarily choose this plan because as bad as it is. It will be better than what private insurance companies are offering.


May want to check out a little known amendment to the Health Care Law called “Empowering States to be Innovative”.

Shows me how many in Congress or the State Legislatures actually read the Law... or how many on these boards actually read it either.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 10:06:23 PM   
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< Message edited by domiguy -- 12/13/2010 10:08:08 PM >

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 10:21:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember when Hillary and Obama where debating back in 2008,Obama said he was agaist a mandate to force people to buy insurance.Common sense say's if healthcare is affordable enough,more people will be willing enough to voluntarily get health insurance.I agree with the Judge on this one.The mandate is going too far.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 10:23:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The mandate is optional. Or did you miss that fact?

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 11:23:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm shocked that the republicans don't like this bill, given it's a freebie to health insurance companies.
I, on the other hand, thought it was a disastrous bill in form that passed. Had it within, a provision for a public option, I would jump with joy, and tell Harvard Pilgrim where to go. M

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/13/2010 11:57:48 PM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		I am convinced that all healthcare comparisons between countries are so flawed as to be without merit.
They do not control for variables.
E.G. Whar are the percentages of "crack babies" in Cuba v. the same in the US?
That is a potentially critical difference. Just that one variable could totally change the comparison; i.e. infant mortality rates in the US may be far better than in Cuba if "crack babies" are taken out.
Now control for diabetes and AIDS.

Turn the US into a police state and some metrics would doubtless improve.
Of course, 0bama0 attempts to do exactly that. If they can make you buy health insurance to improve healthcare they can make you buy a Government Motors car to improve the economy.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:02:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Many of those extra tests are to prevent or to support the Dr in a lawsuit. Nothing more"

Exactly right. Our legal system is one of the main reasons healthcare in America is expensive.
Changing that would do as much to lower costs as anything else.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:03:08 AM   
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I figured no one would actually admit they have no clue whats in the Law.

http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/2010/03/25/obamacare-lets-states-opt-out-mandate

Gotta give Fox credit for this one.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:04:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

"Many of those extra tests are to prevent or to support the Dr in a lawsuit. Nothing more"

Exactly right. Our legal system is one of the main reasons healthcare in America is expensive.
Changing that would do as much to lower costs as anything else.


1/2 of 1% .... lol... huge reduction

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:10:08 AM   
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mortality rates in the US may be far better than in Cuba if "crack babies" are taken out.


Each country has its own problems. Are you suggesting they dont have their own form of crack? aids? diabetes? gestational diabetes doesnt follow the rules. PIH forms when least expected. Medically speaking, the variables cancel each other out in more ways than you realize.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:12:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Maybe I can finally stop contributing to Social Security and get everyting I put into it returned to me....Seems rather unconstitutional now with this ruling.


there is no law against contracting with the beast.


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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:15:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

"Many of those extra tests are to prevent or to support the Dr in a lawsuit. Nothing more"

Exactly right. Our legal system is one of the main reasons healthcare in America is expensive.
Changing that would do as much to lower costs as anything else.


lets not forget doctors and big pharma

I have been incorrectly diagnosed 3 times in the last 10 years and they get really pissed when you correct them and that isnt even under gubmint managed care.

imagine when they take over.


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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:28:45 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		"Medically speaking, the variables cancel each other out in more ways than you realize."
" 1/2 of 1% .... lol... huge reduction"

Fabricated assumptions.


"I figured no one would actually admit they have no clue whats in the Law."

For a whole host of reasons, the opt-out clause is a basically meaningless figleaf designed to do nothing more than provide the idiots who voted for this thing (you know, the people who didn't read it) a little bit of political cover.




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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 3:45:45 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Yeah, your an idiot, and you didnt read it. As far as your "fabricated assumptions". malpractice insurance is BIG business. There is no guarentee that tort reform will bring that business under control. The CBO, and many economists agree, tort reform would not be enough to even scratch at the surface.

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Judge Rejects Former Republican Idea? - 12/14/2010 4:01:33 AM   
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Orrin Hatch Slams Health Care Solution He Supported As 'Clearly Unconstitutional' (VIDEO) Read More: Hatch Health Insurance Reform, Orrin Hatch Health Care Reform, Hatch Health Care Reform, Orrin Hatch Individual Mandate, Health Care Reform, Orrin Hatch Health Insurance Reform, Orrin Hatch, Hatch Individual Mandate, Politics News

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Conservatives today say that's unacceptable. Not long ago, many of them saw a national mandate as a free-market route to guarantee coverage for all Americans -- the answer to liberal ambitions for a government-run entitlement program. Most experts agree some kind of requirement is needed in a reformed system because health insurance doesn't work if people can put off joining the risk pool until they get sick. In the early 1970s, President Richard Nixon favored a mandate that employers provide insurance. In the 1990s, the Heritage Foundation, a leading conservative think tank, embraced an individual requirement. Not anymore. "The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea," said health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. In 1991, he published a paper that explained how a mandate could be combined with tax credits -- two ideas that are now part of Obama's law. Pauly's paper was well-received -- by the George H.W. Bush administration.Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/27/republicans-hatched-idea-obamas-health-insurance-mandate/#ixzz185LENDQs





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RE: Judge Rejects Former Republican Idea? - 12/14/2010 4:30:30 AM   
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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 8:24:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Surprisingly most of the judges that have reviewed the law so far have found it perfectly Constitutional.


Most huh?


14 cases dismissed
2 cases tried and the judges ruled for the government
1 case tried and the judge ruled against the government.

So yeah most.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:14:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		"2 cases tried and the judges ruled for the government "

DK, Were those cases solely decided on the constitutionality of the individual mandate?

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:21:13 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		"There is no guarentee that tort reform will bring that business under control. "

There is a guarantee that the Dim refusal to allow any tort reform will bring it under control.
CBO scores are officially worth the assumptions the Congress gives them to use as a basis for scoring.
Which means they are worth more than a bucket of warm spit, assuming the cost of paper is greater than the cost of the bucket.

BTW, tg, unless you're a member of Congress, I didn't call you an idiot.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:28:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		When did the Democrats refuse to let the drooling fucktards amend tort reform in the bill?  They asked them for their amendments, and the shitweasels repugnantly recalcitrated.  

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