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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:45:42 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I, again, ask you, what makes you think insurance conmpanies will pass along those savings to Drs? Do you honestly see them giving up such a cash cow?

Second, its only, roughly, 2 percent of patients that actually sue.

Many states have already capped punative damages.

My feeling is if they are capped, it becomes a numbers game. "If I fuck this up, can I afford it?"

When the AMA starts policing its own like the rest of the medical community, then we can talk.

Expenditures in the United States on health care surpassed $2.3 trillion in 2008, more than three times the $714 billion spent in 1990, and over eight times the $253 billion spent in 1980.

2.3 Trillion. And even the GOP states they can save less than 50 billion dollars over 10 years with tort reform. I am in no way saying it doesnt need to be addressed. But seeing that as a magic bullet in an attempt to fix health care is just another talking head bullshit comment.

The arrogance of some Drs has become astonishing. More than one has ripped up my nursing notes demanding I re-write them to make the Dr appear in a better light. A felony action. We arent speaking of money, or possessions. We are addressing lives saved and lost. While i hate the frivilous lawsuits, not all are. Keeping Drs accountable is the only way the public has to ensure their care will be an adequate one.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:50:59 AM   
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Wasn't everyone supposed to want this law?   

I guess not.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:51:53 AM   
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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:54:11 AM   
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And who pays for your insurance, pa?


Good question.  Because they way it looks I am going to have to go 4 hours for a DR now.    One that treats the T3.  Which they do not locally.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 9:57:00 AM   
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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 10:59:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		"They asked them for their amendments"

EXACTLY wrong.

The Senate allowed little/no input.
The House had to pass the Senate version word for word or face cloture. They allowed exactly nothing.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:02:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Totally wrong.  Absolute horseshit.

One example:

At the opening of Monday's hearing, Sen. Dodd asked Sen. Enzi (R-WY), the ranking Republican on the committee, if he would agree to accept by unanimous consent a total of 64 Republican amendments. After a whisper from an aide, Enzi, a little perplexed and not a little embarrassed, refused to allow the 64 Republican amendments to be accepted, lowering his voice to mumble, "I think some of our members want votes on some of those."

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:04:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The real driver of health care cost increases is technology. The truth is that nothing is going to stop that except... not having/using new technology. Which I'm sure the 0bama0Care death panels would address were this thing to live.

The second driver is lawsuits. It is not just the vast number of suits, it is even more the damned near incalculable amount spent on defensive medicine, as noted above by dyb. The Dims have refused to let this be addressed for over a decade because.... their #1 contributor is the trial lawyers association.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:07:36 AM   
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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:08:12 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		That was a parliamentary trick on both sides and you should damned well know it.

Address the House?

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:09:33 AM   
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It's not an either/or situation, but the first five words are a damned fine question.


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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:12:51 AM   
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"2 cases tried and the judges ruled for the government "

DK, Were those cases solely decided on the constitutionality of the individual mandate?

Not solely, neither was the Virginia case, but both cases included the argument and in both cases the judges' decisions addresses the point.

For instance from the Michigan ruling:
quote:

There is a rational basis to conclude that, in the aggregate, decisions to forego insurance coverage in preference to attempting to pay for health care out of pocket drive up the cost of insurance. The costs of caring for the uninsured who prove unable to pay are shifted to health care providers, to the insured population in the form of higher premiums, to governments, and to taxpayers. The decision whether to purchase insurance or to attempt to pay for health care out of pocket, is plainly economic. These decisions, viewed in the aggregate, have clear and direct impacts on health care providers, taxpayers, and the insured population who ultimately pay for the care provided to those who go without insurance. These are the economic effects addressed by Congress in enacting the Act and the minimum coverage provision.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 11:24:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And who pays for your insurance, pa?


Good question.  Because they way it looks I am going to have to go 4 hours for a DR now.  One that treats the T3.  Which they do not locally.



PA,

I am hypothyroid and my regular primary care physician is treating me.

Many primary care Docs do.

However, if your physician feels you need an endocrinologist, then s/he must have a good reason.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:32:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So is it a problem that Judge Henry Hudson, the Virginia-based federal judge who struck down part of the Health Care Reform law today, is part owner of a GOP consulting firm which spent the last year attacking the Health Care law? Narrowly speaking he's probably in the clear since the firm is not a direct party to the case. But he's "treading very close to the line," one judicial ethics and recusal expert tells TPM."

Hudson is trying to legislate from the bench. All you strict Constipationalists should be agin' that, yeah?



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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 12:38:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Legislating from the bench" typically- not always, but typically- refers to increasing the power of government.
No serious person can make that allegation here.


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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 1:17:48 PM   
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"Legislating from the bench" typically- not always, but typically- refers to increasing the power of government.
No serious person can make that allegation here.


What a complete and utter load of bollocks.

The case most often presented as a case of judges legislating from the bench is Rowe v Wade which reduced government intrusion in women's lives.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 2:35:48 PM   
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This is one part of the health care law I never liked and thought was unnecessary.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101213/ts_nm/us_usa_healthcare_virginia






I assume "this" means the individual mandate. If so, and you thought it was unnecessary, you have missed that it is the CORE of the entire bill. Why? Because under the bill the healthy are mandated to buy insurance and subsidize the costs of the additional coverages, and can also opt in only after falling ill, and cant be excluded for pre-existing conditions.

Without those subsidies the premiums of the insured would have to increase an additional 20-30%.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 2:37:07 PM   
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I'm still waiting for them to explain how a corporation is a person and is entitled to make unlimited contributions to political campaigns.



It was fully explained in the decision, youre just too lazy to read it.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 4:03:12 PM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		Typically. The word you missed was "typically. Well, that and "not always".
Reading comprehension.

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RE: Judge rejects key part of Obama healthcare law - 12/14/2010 6:36:11 PM   
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I find it quite interesting that people seem to think a singular thing (health care) is the end all be all of longevity. As to "tests that don't need to be done" I'm of the understanding that those extra tests are done to increase certainty and also because unlike ALL other countries in the WORLD we have hospitals with more and better tech.


Our mortality/morbidity rates do not support your last statement.

Many of those extra tests are to prevent or to support the Dr in a lawsuit. Nothing more.


Reread my statements and think about it. Then get back to me.

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