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What exactly is "service"? - 12/14/2010 11:03:15 PM   
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Posted this article on another site which seemed to bring some positive response, so I think it might prove useful to this community, as well. It's been a godsend to me, and has completely solidified my views on service submission and what I expect from a partner.
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What do you mean when you offer to serve? What do you mean when you offer to BE of service? What do mean when you offer yourself in servitude?
Do the answers to these questions bring up visions of you being bound helplessly while being exquisitely tortured, teased to the verge of orgasm?
Do you envision some Amazon Goddess sporting a huge strap-on taking you anally?
Do you envision yourself prancing around in some French Maid Costume and being asked to provide oral service to a Mistress?
Do you envision some woman sqatting over your helplessly bound body "forcing" you to serve her orally?
Or do you envision being put over her knee and spanked like a naughty little boy?

Yes, nice visions aren't they? However, not one of those visions is the definition of "serve", "service" or "servitude".

Oh, I'm sure many subs consider them to be just that, but if you check your dictionaries you won't find any mention of French Maid Costumes, bondage, strap-ons, oral sex, or any other fetish you may enjoy.

In fact you won't find any mention of fetishes at all in the definitions.

Serve is defined as:
1. to work for, be a servant;
2. to act in a specific capacity;
3. to place food before, wait on;
4. to be of assistance to.

Service is defined as:
1. the occupation or duties of a servant;
2. the act or means of serving;
3. duties performed as an occupation.

Servitude is defined as:
Submission to a master; slavery.

When you offer to serve a FemDom, what you are offering (or should be offering) is the surrender of your control. You should know her well enough to trust her with your life. When you offer your servitude to her, you are telling her that you trust her judgment, you trust her to keep you safe from harm, you trust her to know what is best for both of you, you trust her decisions and desire to follow her orders and obey her in all things.

Your offer of service is your ability to let go of your ego and your free will (control) and allow her to control you.

Serving is, first and foremost, the act of making her life easier. It is compliance with all her desires, wishes, orders. Yes, BD/SM and fetish play, more than likely, will be included as part of the relationship. But overall, the D/s aspect of the relationship will be where you have turned your control over to her and you do as she says. It is about pampering her and catering to her.

Everyday life will be a part of this, for most people do have to work, bills do have to be paid, people need to see doctors occasionally, and dentists. Then there are family get togethers, family emergencies, social gatherings with vanilla friends and also with D/s friends. For the most part, life will seem pretty vanilla, but there will be one difference. IF you have truly submitted, then your actions will be measured by how your Mistress would feel about it. Your decisions will be based upon what you are allowed, or not allowed to decide without her permission. You will treat others with respect, but especially other women. You will consider that your actions would reflect back upon your Mistress, and therefore act in a manner that would make her proud of you. There may be other constant reminders, she may insist you wear panties under your clothes at work. But you will always remember that you have submitted to her and will honor that commitment.

How can you serve your Mistress - what are the ways?

Here are some suggestions:
-Make sure her home is clean and neat.
-Make sure her clothes are clean and neat.
-Prepare her favorite foods for her.
-Prepare her bath.
-Rub her feet after she comes in from working all day.
-Offer her a massage if her day was very stressful.
-Offer to do her manicure and pedicure.
-Have her favorite music playing or find her favorite show or movie on TV.
-Surprise her with flowers.
-Serve her coffee as soon as she gets up in the morning.
-Ask what clothing she wants laid out for her.

These are just a few of the ways you can serve her once you have been trained in what she wants and likes. Don't be afraid to use your imagination to surprise her (provided of course that she has no problem with you doing this occasionally).

A happy, contented, pleased, relaxed woman is a woman who will then have no problem torturing you, using you, or even indulging you with a fetish or two that are your favorites…………just to show you how much she really appreciates your service and submission to her.

So, what are you offering?
Personal service only (oral, massage, bathing)?
Play sessions only (spankings, facesitting, strap-on, whippings, cbt)?
Domestic service only (household chores, errands)?
OR are offering the whole package?

These are the things you need to be clear about in your own mind first and foremost before approaching a Mistress and offering to "serve" her. Along with how committed you wish to be to the D/s relationship, if at all.

MsLyn
(reposted with permission from the author)



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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/14/2010 11:22:18 PM   
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Excellent post. 

Just one problem.  Those who should read it are to busy on the other half of the site.



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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 8:58:42 AM   
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Or they are complaining on this side about fakes!!

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 9:11:36 AM   
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Thank you for this.  I think it should be required reading for all new subs and slaves.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 9:18:22 AM   
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Great post and yes should be a reminder for subs. And it does go back to the real verse fantasy. If I am under a Domme I should make it my business what she likes and what she does not like. It all starts with her and at the same time the sub being aware fully. All this takes time and one should understand that and not come to a Domme with their list or topping from the bottom.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 9:25:54 AM   
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What shall we blame? Pr0n? The internets? Somehow, just asking for play became a bad thing, so the euphemism "service" got attached to it. And a whole lot of misery followed. There are a lot of kinky people of all orientations who couldn't care less about who brings them their coffee. Everyone's searches would go more smoothly if they would just say what they WANT, and not try to fit into some other mold.

Serving is not an instant thing, all those insta-collars notwithstanding. It takes me awhile to know if I even WANT that person serving me. A relationship is a relationship, we are not just choosing a maid from an agency, we are choosing other people to ally ourselves with. That desire to please is vital, but just flinging yourself at everyone randomly is annoying at best.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 11:11:59 AM   
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I don't want to cause an unnecessary side-debate, but I think in some cases, masochistic acts can be seen as "service."  When I am feeling an undeniable *ache* to see a man suffer, a desire that is downright distracting, then he's providing service to me when he sacrifices his comfort, pride and freedom in order to "feed the beast."  However, this is a very intimate exchange based on an existing relationship, and I think many sub men eroticize that femdoms have this desire in more of an unconditional, arbitrary way.  Meaning if I wake up with the uncontrollable urge to see the suffering and humility that comes from a man enduring my strapon, it means I want to do it with ANY man, and his mere availability is a gift to me.  This isn't the case; I may have the desire, but I have to want the man behind the submission.  There has to be chemistry.

I think this whole "service" thing gets messy, too, because a lot of "new" relationships end up based on the barter for service and play.  A sub wants to get nasty things done to him.  A femdom says she wants service.  A man asks what do you mean.  She gives examples.  He says ok, and starts to check things off his list - so if I do your laundry, you will fuck my ass?  So if I come over and "pretend" to be helpful, you will spank me if I am a bad boy?  The men often are looking at "lists" of "ways to serve" and they are using it as currency.   This is awful for everyone, because he is serving out of obligation, not the desire to please.

I am wary of any man who is ready/eager to please *without a relationship in place*.  In other words, if he's ready to offer up his service to me without emotional attachment, or attraction to me, that means it's obviously just currency and he wants something in return.  Men who get joy from serving generally get joy from serving *in the context of a relationship* -- they get a charge of pleasure and joy from seeing the woman *the care about* with a smile on her face. If he just got a generic charge of out "service" he's be in volunteerism to get his needs met.  If he's offering service to women as an opening line, without any relationship in place, he's using it as currency for BDSM play in return -- that's my feeling, at least.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 11:14:56 AM   
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It does seem that "service" is the default standard in Femdom relationships.  I wonder if that is because much of male socialization emphasizes acts of service as an acceptable way to show affection.  Service can be a language of love to many men, myself included.

But you are right Lady H that maybe service should not be the defacto starting point for relationships, and the starting point might be simply "What do you want?" stated clearly and plainly from both parties.

Of course, my service oriented mind immediately asks the next question - "And what are you willing to give to get it?" 


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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 11:26:14 AM   
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I think it might be being skipped over here that not all D/s is based at the same root.  For those dynamics that are not formed with a romantic or sexual origin, quite often, they are service based.  I know a number of folks who aren't in this for the automatic assumption of a primary relationship.  In these areas, a service based dynamic allows people to get their wants satisfied.

On Aakasha's comment, I get what she's saying, but I honestly don't see that as being any different than what happens in the non kink world.  How many folks do the romance dance when the real goal is just getting in someone's pants?  We're not rewriting the book on human behaviors here. 

While I tend to find that people who are geared to please through service get the most fulfillment from pleasing those they are closest to, I don't think it's singular.  In many cases, it extends to the outer world as well.  Otters has a post on another thread just now that speaks very much to the point of this. 


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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 11:41:08 AM   
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Gee, I always thought service was when a guy tells a femdom to dress in high heels and latex stockings, "force" him to cross dress, fuck him up the ass with a strap-on, then "make" him eat her pussy.  That's service, right?  Says so in my inbox and on a shitload of "submissive" profiles.

As Inigo Montoya said, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."  


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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/15/2010 11:46:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Gee, I always thought service was when a guy tells a femdom to dress in high heels and latex stockings, "force" him to cross dress, fuck him up the ass with a strap-on, then "make" him eat her pussy.  That's service, right?  Says so in my inbox and on a shitload of "submissive" profiles.

As Inigo Montoya said, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."  



No, that's $400 per hour and illegal in most states. 


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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/16/2010 3:50:11 AM   
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To me, service is whatever the dominant deems it to be, and the only way one can determine usefulness to any dominant, is to read/listen to her carefully, than get to know the woman in question.
I suppose, there are instances where dominants clearly state kinks preferred, to the exception of everyday mundane things... But even than, if the would be servant didn't adhere to, and enjoy that list enough to do it enthusiastically, the problem of compatibility and happiness in one's role would arise eventually.   M

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/16/2010 8:54:50 AM   
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There's nothing like a script to make one feel like he doesn't quite fit the mold. The only thing missing here was an "alpha-male" requirement.

I'm with Domiguy on this issue, namely that he prefers women who "have something going on," as opposed to the servant type who borders on being dependent (must revolve around another) while focused on menial tasks.

I used to have a friend in KC who was involved in a Poly household with a maledom who threw all the service tasks onto his primary partner. This poor woman was: (1) a breadwinner; (2) a cook; (3) a housekeeper; and (4) a sexual toy. At about year 1.5 of the relationship, she tore down the framed "rules of service" from the wall and thew them across the LR smashing'em to bits.

My KC friend witnessed the incident and we thought it was really funny. She hereself (who was not the primary partner) never felt any "inner satisfaction" from doing service, to her it was just doing kind, considerate stuff for another person. She never found chores, errands, and other stuff "fulfilling" or "exciting."

A while back there was an aspiring femdom here who hated kink and BDSM, but she wanted a service slave. She never found one.

In general, there are going to be problems in courting when one person is:

(1) Looking for excitement but packaging his offerings as service; or

(2) Someone is looking for excitement and fulfillment and the other person wants "service."

In contrast, people who listen and show an interest in each other can avoid these pitfalls.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/16/2010 9:03:22 AM   
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Well said, Cloudboy.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/16/2010 11:40:02 AM   
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In response to service I have to agree with Aakasha. My greatest joy comes from serving someone whom I know and I know she enjoys it. The special feeling you get from serving some one who appreciates you for who you are and what you do for them. She may expect service...and that is fine. If I am serving her then she deserves it.
Service for me is doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants. No matter what it is. Fixing her dinner, fixing her bath, ironing her clothes, doing the housework, washing her car, giving her foot massages, kissing her feet. Her wish is my command....

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/17/2010 12:00:21 AM   
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bashing a brotha for his needs, givin a dictionary definition of service and dumb suggestions of what one woman wants. the artical is crap OP, but thanx for sharing something you thought mighta helped its incouraged

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/17/2010 7:10:33 AM   
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Thanks for this thread.  It is very enlightening, and causes me to consider my own preconceptions of service.

In the end though the acts of servitude are decided by the domme, correct?  If I have a desire to serve, my wants end there and she will fill me with what she wants me to do?

AAkasha, thank you especially for your post.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/17/2010 7:23:28 AM   
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quote:

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bashing a brotha for his needs, givin a dictionary definition of service and dumb suggestions of what one woman wants. the artical is crap OP, but thanx for sharing something you thought mighta helped its incouraged


Dude.  we have no problem with somebody stating honestly that he is only into fetish play, sexual bottoming and kinky sex.  The issue here is with people misrepresenting themselves, either because they have not thought very hard about what they are actually asking for, or because they think it will be more attractive even though it is not the truth.  Neither is very cool.

If what you want is to be sexually topped or to get a specific kind of fetish play, but you aren't willing to do anything for the other person that doesn't involve you getting your kink on, then you should not say you are offering "service".  What you're looking for is to be serviced, not to give service, and you need to be straight up honest about that.  If you aren't, then people are going to roll their eyeballs at you and say you're full of shit.  And they'll be right. 


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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/17/2010 7:50:06 AM   
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Service is for me ....  is being part of my life.. that includes both play and daily living.. I want someone who wants to be part of my life. So being in service to me means assisting in that daily life and part of that is doing errands, helping with the cooking, laundry, organizing my schedule. In doing that it allows me to have more time and energy to think about play. I dont think its currency so much as its the facts that everyone faces about relationships. In vanilla relationships  partners are helpmates; no person wants sex after a day spent shopping, cooking, cleaning .. so being in service for me reflects that if I am relaxed and rested my mind is far more likely to turn to kinky thoughts than if Im worn out after a long day. Plus lets be honest one of the perks of being domiant is being catered to, thats part of the pay off for the Dominant partner and in return for the submissive thats part of their payoff in the relationship being the one doing the catering, the foot massaging, the hair washing, the hand washing of unmentionable etc...etc.. it part of the ying and the yang of the engery that flows btwn parnters.

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RE: What exactly is "service"? - 12/17/2010 8:07:30 AM   
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If what you want is to be sexually topped or to get a specific kind of fetish play, but you aren't willing to do anything for the other person that doesn't involve you getting your kink on, then you should not say you are offering "service". What you're looking for is to be serviced, not to give service, and you need to be straight up honest about that. If you aren't, then people are going to roll their eyeballs at you and say you're full of shit. And they'll be right.

Translation: You don't do service the way I think you should so I and Others "I'm speaking for many here" will roll our eyes and look down upon you... we'd be justified because our definition is the right one.

Many many people have expressed the right of getting "Theirs" and I believe I've seen you back them up so why down on this fella? Why would anyone roll their eyes and why would you think they were justified?(Rhetorical)


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