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RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:35:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chulain quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b In my experience people who want a no limits situation are simply engaging in a fantasy. A fantasy that ends when the orgasm does. And some people make fantasy a reality. Not everyone can but heyhoe... [:D] Are you implying you are one of those who has made fantasy a reality, and has no limits? Not buying it any more than Marc2b does. As I stated, everyone has limits. Anyone who tells me otherwise is lying to him- or herself or lying to me. Don't make me bring out the bucket of pig intestines just to prove my point. I can dig the groove with the intestines if you fancy them on your head or eating them yourselves.[;)] You can think whatever you want and be as closed minded as you like - you can sit there behind a computer screen and type how lame or how much a fantasy something is and deride people who do not share the same ideas of you all you like. Doesn't mean that you are right for everyone, just for you.

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:39:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: And some people make fantasy a reality. Not everyone can but heyhoe... If you have managed to make your fantasies a reality then more power to ya but that is not the same thing as a real no limits situation which is risky in all situations and could be horrific in many. People who say they want no limits are engaging in the fantasy of being a real slave but will being locked naked in a cage in a cold basement all night still hold the same appeal after the orgasm? See... this is where the whole 'no limits' thing get's fucked over. It always comes down to 'cutting off a limb' or ' locked in a basement for years'... that's nothing but dramatic impact examples that have as about as much relevance to a BDSM relationship as paedophilia has. Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? *typo edit

Chulain -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:43:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc You can think whatever you want and be as closed minded as you like - you can sit there behind a computer screen and type how lame or how much a fantasy something is and deride people who do not share the same ideas of you all you like. Doesn't mean that you are right for everyone, just for you. And you can sit there behind your computer screen and lie to me and Marc2b (or yourself) and claim you have no limits. Just take the time to stop and think about it. "No limits" means the submissive cannot say no to anything. That would be tantamount to a non-consensual relationship. A non-consensual relationship can only exist if the the force of law enables it. In the U.S., Canadia, the U.K, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, all the places where I imagine most callarme members come from, a non-consensual relationship is illegal (other than punishment by the state for crimes, or some similar situation). Therefore, a no-limits relationship is impossible in those countries. Therefore, even if the submissive claims to have no limits, he or she is always free to stop the action and say "Hey, now, whoa, there, Hoss. You ain't putting that in my ass." As Marc2b stated, you can play all you want at having no limits, and maybe your limits are very broad, but you do have them.

Marc2b -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:44:31 PM)
quote: See... this is where the whole 'no limits' thing get's fucked over. It always comes down to 'cutting off a limb' or ' locked in a basement for years'... that's nothing but dramatic impact examples that have as about as much relevance to a BDSM relationship as paedophilia has. Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? Because the phrase "no limits" is an absolute. Most of your so called "no limits" relationships are really "few limits" relationships.

Chulain -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc See... this is where the whole 'no limits' thing get's fucked over. It always comes down to 'cutting off a limb' or ' locked in a basement for years'... that's nothing but dramatic impact examples that have as about as much relevance to a BDSM relationship as paedophilia has. Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? As Marc2b stated, "no limits" means "NO limits." Either you have NO limits, or you have limits. There's no in-between.

SomethingCatchy -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:50:44 PM)
C has no limits, because I can do whatever I want to and with him. After he pledged himself to me, he gave up the right to say NO to my decisions. If I want him to eat a bucket of pig guts, by god he WILL do it or there will be severe consequences. The good thing for him is that many disgusting, unhealthy, unethical, immoral things are MY limits and I refuse to be associated with someone who wants to engage in those sorts of things. I, as the dominant, have every right to set my own limits, and enforce them. He has no right to leave the relationship, just because I refuse to do something he wants me to do. That is the definition of our relationship.

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chulain quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc You can think whatever you want and be as closed minded as you like - you can sit there behind a computer screen and type how lame or how much a fantasy something is and deride people who do not share the same ideas of you all you like. Doesn't mean that you are right for everyone, just for you. And you can sit there behind your computer screen and lie to me and Marc2b (or yourself) and claim you have no limits. Just take the time to stop and think about it. "No limits" means the submissive cannot say no to anything. That would be tantamount to a non-consensual relationship. A non-consensual relationship can only exist if the the force of law enables it. In the U.S., Canadia, the U.K, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, all the places where I imagine most callarme members come from, a non-consensual relationship is illegal (other than punishment by the state for crimes, or some similar situation). Therefore, a no-limits relationship is impossible in those countries. Therefore, even if the submissive claims to have no limits, he or she is always free to stop the action and say "Hey, now, whoa, there, Hoss. You ain't putting that in my ass." As Marc2b stated, you can play all you want at having no limits, and maybe your limits are very broad, but you do have them. Except that I never told you whether I have limits or not, you are just second guessing and believe me, some people are already pretty aware on the concept Master and I hold on the concept of no limits. You want to have them, have at it. You want to believe in consensual relationships only, have at it. Your post is ripe with standard, usual responses towards people that shows a person saying it has no concept of how BDSM works differently for people and only concentrate on yourself - which is cool as long as you aren't trying to impose your life on people who don't desire it...

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:53:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: See... this is where the whole 'no limits' thing get's fucked over. It always comes down to 'cutting off a limb' or ' locked in a basement for years'... that's nothing but dramatic impact examples that have as about as much relevance to a BDSM relationship as paedophilia has. Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? Because the phrase "no limits" is an absolute. Most of your so called "no limits" relationships are really "few limits" relationships. So, slave is an absolute to? So all the people who are defined as slaves, actually aren't?

Chulain -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:58:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy C has no limits, because I can do whatever I want to and with him. After he pledged himself to me, he gave up the right to say NO to my decisions. If I want him to eat a bucket of pig guts, by god he WILL do it or there will be severe consequences. I'll play along as if you're post is not tongue-in-cheek. I gotta say, he's only gonna eat a bucket of swill if wants to (and he might very well do so if his desire to please you is strong enough). Is it in your legally binding slave contract that he must do whatever you say, or there will be consequences? Like what? You'll call the police and tell them your slave has disobeyed you? Do you live in a country where non-consensual relationships are legal? quote: He has no right to leave the relationship Really? And what exactly would you do if he got up and walked out the door? And don't reply with "He would never do that," because that's not an answer to that question.

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 12:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chulain quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc See... this is where the whole 'no limits' thing get's fucked over. It always comes down to 'cutting off a limb' or ' locked in a basement for years'... that's nothing but dramatic impact examples that have as about as much relevance to a BDSM relationship as paedophilia has. Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? As Marc2b stated, "no limits" means "NO limits." Either you have NO limits, or you have limits. There's no in-between. The word 'a submissive' as a noun doesn't exist in reality... but that never stopped anyone and well... has numerous meanings depending on who you ask to define what it means... it's just some people get so blinded by the term 'no limits' they never really bother to ask but instead assume.

Chulain -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:04:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc The word 'a submissive' as a noun doesn't exist in reality. Right, it's all in our imagination. quote: it's just some people get so blinded by the term 'no limits' they never really bother to ask but instead assume. So what are you saying, the term "no limits" mean, "some limits, just not beyond my limits?"

SomethingCatchy -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:05:52 PM)
quote: Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? Because for some reason some people want to encourage the stereotype that we're weird, insane, criminals that are hacking people to bits and then letting them bleed out in the celler. I have lots of examples of when C did something he didn't want to do, but because he gave his pledge and word, he did it anyway.

Marc2b -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:07:51 PM)
quote: So, slave is an absolute to? So all the people who are defined as slaves, actually aren't? Of course they are not really slaves. They are free people who have chosen to engage in a particular lifestyle. I've nothing against that but try to sell your slave on Ebay and watch what happens.

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:10:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chulain Right, it's all in our imagination. Nope. But you look it up.[;)] quote: So what are you saying, the term "no limits" mean, "some limits, just not beyond my limits?" Nope.

TotalDiscipline -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:14:28 PM)
my slave has no limits..she has dislikes... and those dislikes depending on the situation..I keep in mind

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy quote: Why can people not just be sensible for a change and give good, honest examples? Because for some reason some people want to encourage the stereotype that we're weird, insane, criminals that are hacking people to bits and then letting them bleed out in the celler. I have lots of examples of when C did something he didn't want to do, but because he gave his pledge and word, he did it anyway. Of course. Because sane, loving people would never indulge in something as insane as having no limits. Funny that... I wish people would think that when they list 'no kids' on their profiles as if it's an automatic assumption that BDSMers practice it, let alone tolerate it.

SomethingCatchy -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:15:29 PM)
quote: Is it in your legally binding slave contract that he must do whatever you say, or there will be consequences? You're assuming things, so I will not take you seriously. quote: You'll call the police and tell them your slave has disobeyed you? You're being absurd, so I will not take you seriously. quote: Do you live in a country where non-consensual relationships are legal? I live in a country where a wife of 15 years can turn around and accuse her husband of rape, despite the fact that they've sexually active for years. C consented his will to me, and I will do with it what I want. I'm also prepared to go to prison if he ever decides to accuse me of forcing him to do things. It's called RISK aware. quote: And what exactly would you do if he got up and walked out the door? I would assume that he's a con-artist, and move away from him as fast as possible. I do not associate with people that can fake a double life and lie through their teeth. Edited because of grammar. I need more caffeine!

RCdc -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:16:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: So, slave is an absolute to? So all the people who are defined as slaves, actually aren't? Of course they are not really slaves. They are free people who have chosen to engage in a particular lifestyle. I've nothing against that but try to sell your slave on Ebay and watch what happens. Precisely... ... so now we are getting to the crux of it. Someone who calls themselves a slave is living a fantasy then, that ends at orgasm. ?

kalikshama -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:18:52 PM)
quote: Pig intestines=hard limit. Signed, Carrie (remember, pig blood? prom? killing everyone in the gym?) Stephen King ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuules!

Marc2b -> RE: no limits period (1/27/2011 1:23:03 PM)
quote: C has no limits, because I can do whatever I want to and with him. After he pledged himself to me, he gave up the right to say NO to my decisions. If I want him to eat a bucket of pig guts, by god he WILL do it or there will be severe consequences. The good thing for him is that many disgusting, unhealthy, unethical, immoral things are MY limits and I refuse to be associated with someone who wants to engage in those sorts of things. I, as the dominant, have every right to set my own limits, and enforce them. He has no right to leave the relationship, just because I refuse to do something he wants me to do. That is the definition of our relationship. A hypothetical question, if you will. What if, one day, C said "I've had enough of this, I'm leaving"?

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