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Should horseriders wear seatbelts?


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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:16:51 AM   
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This is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this site.


So you have never rode a horse?

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:30:08 AM   
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can you get a mental image of the saddle slipping while you are belted on?


*shudder*

Of course, if you can't get your girth tight enough to avoid that happening (or have someone who can do it for you if you're a small child or disabled), you shouldn't be riding.
i ride bareback. It's less work



and probably safer in your case

*ducks*

as others already said it would be pretty stupid to do so. I did ride horses as well as bikes and on both occassions I was glad not to wear a belt...my driving instructor for the bike was close to throw up when he had to watch how I "just" escaped a very severe accident where I would have tumbled down a hill and if that would have happened would I have been wanted stuck to his bike??? Surely not. I might have missed 12 trees if I would have ended up down there, but the 13th surely would have catched me...

anyhow...I got out of that tricky situation with lieing as close to the ground whilst still being on that bike as possible and had a lucky escape...(my driving instructor told a friend of him afterwards, when we came back to his garage, that I never lie voluntarily as much into a curve as I did in that particular situation, so that was pretty likely my only way to get safely out of that situation I was in and thank goodness there wasnt a bunch of leaves or pebbles to still make me fall with the bike)

once I was safe again and passed the next corner my driving instructor passed me and pulled me on the side, with not much voice left anymore, trying to yell at me "what was that, do you have any idea how close that was..."

He had a few interesting experiences with me on his bikes and I think he was pretty happy to see the back of me to protect his heart from a potential heart attack at some point.





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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:37:18 AM   
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California used to be nice.  But horses from Spain ruined the landscape there.  They brought them over- tamer horses and the beasts pooped out seeds- which changed and ruined the vegetation in California.

The west was not settled too easily and even today wild horses can be adopted- not only that but you don't get to be a superpower with weak horses.

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:38:42 AM   
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http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/wild_horse_and_burro.html

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 11:54:04 AM   
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What makes a horse tough? All horses are highly delicate creatures. Surprisingly so.

I will say that I've a fondness for Quarter horses. They are much more adaptable than most other breeds. And some of the bloodlines have been bred for temperament. Calm, collected, forgiving of mistakes.  

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 11:57:13 AM   
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What makes a horse tough?


A switchblade.


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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 12:10:14 PM   
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What makes a horse tough?


A switchblade.




Gristle.

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 12:32:40 PM   
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What makes a horse tough?


A switchblade.




I'm trying to picture a horse I know, standing up leaning nonchalantly against a stall door, switchblade at the ready.


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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 12:32:53 PM   
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What makes a horse tough?


A switchblade.




Gristle.


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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 12:34:18 PM   
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I'm trying to picture a horse I know, standing up leaning nonchalantly against a stall door, switchblade at the ready.


"I want my oats, motherfucker, or shit's gonna go down!"

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 7:46:39 PM   
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With Kentucky blue grass- horses are healthier here too.   With pretty coats and good teeth.   They never wore good shoes until the American horses did. 

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 7:52:13 PM   
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Motorcycles:
In some cases (not all) if you know you're going to crash, you can do what's called (oh I just know I'm going to regret typing this) "laying it down" or essentially doing the "quarterback slide."  When you lay the bike down, if done effectively, you kick yourself free of the bike, so that you as the rider/passenger don't get crushed or burned by the motorcycle, and you don't have the weight of the bike grinding the road rash into your body....

so a seatbelt would not be a good idea.  If anything, it would cause more fatalities.  Instead of getting thrown, more bikers would end up under some Volvo's wheels.

As for a pogo stick strap-on....  that just sounds really painful.  I'm sure some might enjoy it.

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:45:29 PM   
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Thank god this thread is in P&RS. I was about to get so irate that I strapped myself in my chair AND put on my padded helmet.

LMAO that visual was so special:) I love the way your mind works


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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/30/2011 9:54:18 PM   
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Horses are so much smarter than people give them credit for.....for example, there was a horse I rode in my college PE class, English Equitation......his name was Freckles and he had a really sick sense of humor!  He'd wait until I was trying to get his foot up to clean out and he'd lean every ounce of his weight on it, only to pick it up real quick.....this little action put me on my ass twice.  Or he'd wait til I was grooming him and slowly start to turn towards the wall.....on the rare occasion I wasn't paying attention, I'd find myself pinned against the wall of the arena with approx 900 lbs of horse leaning on me.  Not painful, but just his sense of "HAH!  Gotcha again!"  Then there was the time I leaned over to grab the dangling end of the martingale to attach to the girth, and he bit me right on my levi's pocket!  He was a total hoot.......and he'd laugh like hell everytime he caught me.

My friend has a horse commonly called a pasture pet....she doesn't ride her, just keeps her.  TJ can undo her gate and open it.  She'd get out in the yard and munch on the grass.  Then she'd come up onto the patio and do "snotty horse lips" all over the picture window.....that was a pleasant sight if we hapened to be eating!  She'd try to get the door open, and once she stuck her head in the doorway and tried to come on inside the house.  I'd play with her too.....she'd take off thru the large parcel of land, all the way to the road, I'd stand in the backyard and she'd run full speed straight for me.  Just about the time she'd run me over, she'd veer off, just missing me....then she'd laugh like a maniac!  I'd be cleaning out her stall, and she'd back up and sit on me while I was bent over.....or grab hold of the wheelbarrow handle and try to tip it over.  Oh yeah, she had a heck of a sense of humor!

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 2:15:08 AM   
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Motorcycles:
In some cases (not all) if you know you're going to crash, you can do what's called (oh I just know I'm going to regret typing this) "laying it down" or essentially doing the "quarterback slide."  When you lay the bike down, if done effectively, you kick yourself free of the bike, so that you as the rider/passenger don't get crushed or burned by the motorcycle, and you don't have the weight of the bike grinding the road rash into your body....


<puts on ex advanced bike instructor hat>

That is common misconception (although I note you're not touting it as a "solution", so noted) - there are so few circumstances under which it's better to leave the machine than stay with it* that no decent instructor, basic, intermediate, or advanced, would ever recommend it as a pre-crash tactic. I believe though that it’s still erroneously taught in some US and Canadian defensive riding courses, despite having been demonstrated as the wrong system some years ago.

That doesn't mean, BTW, that belts would be a good idea, but it also doesn't mean that leaving the bike is a good one either - stay with the machine, take mitigating action to prevent or reduce the crash impact, and above all, if possible, try not to target fixate - keep your eyes pointing where your escape route is, and continue to steer and brake as appropriate.

On the safety front, Dainese and Kushitani have been experimenting with airbag suits for bikers; these are similar in construction to standard race suits, in that they comprise several layers of thin leather, with non-linear seams (i.e. the seams in one layer don’t line up with the ones from the layer below, to prevent scuff-through in the event of being abraded by the road), but with the addition of a tough “bladder” layer; this latter layer gets inflated (in milliseconds) by a nitrogen gas-charge (itself triggered by an impact sensor). So as you come off, the bladder layer inflates, giving you effectively your own personal air-fence, under your leathers.

They've been trialled in MotoGP by Valentino Rossi, among others. The 2 main hurdles for road use are a) false triggering (and the suit is effectively a “one shot” deal, once triggered it has to be thrown away – expensive for a $5,000 suit) and b) burst damage – the bladder has been shown to compromise the structural integrity of the suit’s seams if the crash takes more than one big hit and scrape. So you get increased impact protection, but reduced abrasion protection. Finally, they’re thicker than traditional suits, with attendant loss of mobility, so their use is currently restricted to chest and back areas, as racers detest any loss in mobility in their limbs as it reduces feedback from the bike, thus making a crash more likely at extreme speeds.

*almost all of them related to road-racing

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 2:48:53 AM   
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Oh yeah, she had a heck of a sense of humor!


Saturday, we were down in Princeton, KS, and we went by to see one of the guys there.  Retired school teacher and has about 200 horses.  Well he was watering some of the ones in the stalls near the house.  While we were talking, one of the horses picks up the hose and started to spray down the other horses with it. 

And of course Butterhead loves to go see Phil's horse.  She knows that horses eat grass and so she does her best to feed it to him.  I swear that the horse has this look on his face of, "Here we go again."  I have not yet gotten it through to her that horses should be fed grass more than ONE piece at a time.

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 5:41:50 AM   
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Horses in the US are tougher and wilder.


They're not. They're all milksops that enjoy ballet dancing and reading Mills and Boon romances, Pahunk. Horses in the UK, on the other hand, listen to Motorhead and are all highly trained in karate.

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 5:53:59 AM   
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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 8:10:29 AM   
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Horses in the US are tougher and wilder.


What?

The horses in the US come from Europe.  The horses in North America kept going extinct. 

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RE: Should horseriders wear seatbelts? - 1/31/2011 1:19:32 PM   
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They're not. They're all milksops that enjoy ballet dancing and reading Mills and Boon romances, Pahunk. Horses in the UK, on the other hand, listen to Motorhead and are all highly trained in karate.


Country music. By choice, they listen to country music.

We are officially horseless for the first time in 11 years. Weird.

The one that we just sold learned where in my purse the peppermints lived, and could open the pocket to get to them. He couldn't peel the plastic wrappers though so I was still useful to him.


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